Was this necessary? It is what it is so let us be.
Canton McKinley Football 2024
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The 2 personal fouls came one after the other and I didn’t see any coaching staff speak to these young men afterwards. Personal fouls reflect a lack of discipline.
spyros1950
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Yes, I agree with you. The game was getting a little "chippy" for a while, and then suddenly a boiling point was reached. I saw pushing and shoving, and then three officials each threw their flags at a group of players. It was a wonder to me that there were no game ejections.
The McKinley coaches need to teach their players to show discipline, less RECKLESS Abandon, and more CONTROLLED Agression.
GO PUPS! Good luck to all, sam
spyros1950
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The CantonRep printed a statement regarding last Friday's McK vs Perry game: "Antonio Hall said we definitely played a lot cleaner football."
Somebody needs to tell this McK Head Coach that 10 Penalties for 79 Yards is NOT a good coaching job of which to be proud. He needs to do much better!
Good luck to all, sam
Somebody needs to tell this McK Head Coach that 10 Penalties for 79 Yards is NOT a good coaching job of which to be proud. He needs to do much better!
Good luck to all, sam
HC A. Hall simply doesn't get it! I agree, he, one of his Defense coaches should have pulled those two guys aside and then kept them out of the game for a series. D. Lineman D. Gardner is completely undisciplined.
spyros1950
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Ohiocrew, I agree with you. Our HC just does NOT get it!
- At the recent Perry game... 3rd Q... 5:06 on the game clock... score was 31-7 McK favor... AND, McK goes for an ON-SIDE Kickoff!!! ... This was a CLASSLESS move that easily causes resentment between teams... (Thankfully, the Refs whistled the play dead due to McK being Offside.)
-Same game... less than 2 minutes till the Half... McK calls for a STRATEGIC Timeout... Good Move!... BUT, a fan in the stands must then yell out, "Hey Coach, why did you have to waste 20 seconds before making this call!??"
- How many times must our QB JUMP straight up 3 feet in the air to gain control of an errant direct center snap? OR, how many times must our QB and Tailback BOTH execute a Jump Ball to handle a wild center snap? Why must so many of our plays start so badly?
- How many TIMEOUTS must we "burn" because the coaches can NOT get the next play into our QB ?
Bottom Line, Our HC is not the right person this team and players deserve. He may NOT have the talent to do the job on game day, but at the very least he should look like he knows what to do.
Good luck to all of us. GO PUPS! sam
- At the recent Perry game... 3rd Q... 5:06 on the game clock... score was 31-7 McK favor... AND, McK goes for an ON-SIDE Kickoff!!! ... This was a CLASSLESS move that easily causes resentment between teams... (Thankfully, the Refs whistled the play dead due to McK being Offside.)
-Same game... less than 2 minutes till the Half... McK calls for a STRATEGIC Timeout... Good Move!... BUT, a fan in the stands must then yell out, "Hey Coach, why did you have to waste 20 seconds before making this call!??"
- How many times must our QB JUMP straight up 3 feet in the air to gain control of an errant direct center snap? OR, how many times must our QB and Tailback BOTH execute a Jump Ball to handle a wild center snap? Why must so many of our plays start so badly?
- How many TIMEOUTS must we "burn" because the coaches can NOT get the next play into our QB ?
Bottom Line, Our HC is not the right person this team and players deserve. He may NOT have the talent to do the job on game day, but at the very least he should look like he knows what to do.
Good luck to all of us. GO PUPS! sam
The superintendent and BOE all need to go.
And that shady BOE had the nerve to give that superintendent a raise a few yrs ago. So no, he’s not going anywhere. He and the BOE are great buddies.
Great analysis and just my opinion but stuff like this have not gone unnoticed and short of beating Massillon, this will be Halls last year of coaching McKinley but only time will tell.
Will be interesting when he gets the axe. I don’t think he will go quietly. He may put up a loud and ugly fight. Hope he doesn’t have any dirt on anyone. And vice versa.
MckBulldawg1237
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I definitely feel a change is needed, but Hall getting the axe would be on what grounds? He will use the “modest” success to help defend him. (Success being the in the federal league). It’s the same story each year with Hall. He loses to non federal league teams that have equivalent, or better talent, wins 90% of federal league games, loses to Massillon, wins a few games in the D1 charity playoffs, and then folds when they play a good D1 team in the playoffs. He’s the definition of mediocrity losing to good teams and beating most bad teams based on talent alone. My question and concern is if the mediocrity and lack of discipline continues, how long will the talent hang around before they transfer to Massillon or other school districts?
Perhaps if there is another massive fight at the end of this years McKinley Massillon game that could be grounds for termination. If McKinley gets completely dominated with multiple personal fouls and another fight, that might be enough to push him out. Also if that happens again I would not be opposed to ending the rivalry and maybe making Glenoak our week 10 rival
MassillonK1D330
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So then why don't you go apply for the head coaching job because you know more than him right?
spyros1950
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My dear Massillon TROLLS, please slither back to where you came. It is clear that you have NO purpose here other than to cause controversy. We do not find your input to be helpful.
Good luck to your fine team. Please bring back another state title to Stark County. sam
Good luck to your fine team. Please bring back another state title to Stark County. sam
Stupid post from you! Over time, I've observed your comments and opinions on a variety of subjects, including Massillon Tiger coaching. So, now you want to challenge a McKinley poster to coaching the team? Go back to your precious Massillon threads, as your posts are not welcomed here.
You're obviously clueless! Go back to Massillon threads. We don't need jerks like you telling us to "cool our jets." Your shameless defense of Hall is so laughable that no further discussion is required!
MassillonK1D330
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Stupid post from you! Why are you taking about another team on McKinley threads?
With all due respect, I don't believe that anyone has remotely suggested a "mid-season" contract termination, on Hall or any members of his coaching staff. A comprehensive evaluation, however, is required at the conclusion of the regular season and playoffs.I think you are talking about several different things here.
1. the BOE - those are elected positions - any of you that reside in Canton can vote or even run for BOE and then you can see how easy or difficult OR just what you really can influence/control or not. Last time one BOE member ran that has been mentioned on here I do not think anyone ran against him - so there is that.
2. the super - I see him doing good things - the open hall meetings to hear what people wanted - they said neighborhood schools need to return and that was put on the ballot and that is what we are going to have with the closing of up to 5 properties that are old. I don't see him pulling the plug on an extra curricular coach mid season, which is a good thing - handle things at the appropriate time - if there is cause for change then September isn't that time - handle it like a professional. After the season we shall see, but it is my opinion that our current super is fixing the mess that Allison made before he left for his new spot in the HOFV.
3. the HC - can anyone tell me which HC in the past that our fan base actually liked? before anyone answers I remember the gripe that was levied by fans for just about all of them all the way back to Forbes. While I am not a fan, or in opposition - I do believe under the circumstances he was hired and the time of year it was - he had a pass the first two seasons. Now it is my opinion that once the dust settles on this season maybe a review of what is going on or how it is going on needs to be reviewed and addressed.
The new OC is not what I thought would be hired. I as well as others am not a fan, but that is a convo at a later time.
What is the answer? We all have opinions on what the answer is or could be - but the whole deal is much larger and intricate than what we generally know or talk about on an online chat group. I wait all year for football season so I am planning on enjoying the games for now and when season is over - see what happens.
and to the LOONS....well you boys know what it is you like to do on here (ps be sure to always wear a belt when in trrrraaassshillon)
pup pounder
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Who do you smart guys think can do a better job than Hall?
Fact is Canton is lucky to have such a quality coach. He will get your program back to where it needs to be.
Just cool your jets everybody.
Don't worry, be happy now
Fact is Canton is lucky to have such a quality coach. He will get your program back to where it needs to be.
Don't worry, be happy now
Benchboss1
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I have stated before, that I believe Hall is the right coach for McKinley. Having said that, I also have stated before, that the head coaching position at Canton McKinley should absolutely NOT be a coaches first head coaching job.
I think if Hall had been a head coach for several years at a smaller school or schools, he would have been better suited for the McKinley job.
The Canton McKinley job should in no way be a first head coaching job. Treating it as such is doing the city, school, kids and program a huge disservice in my opinion.
And again we have the superintendent and and so called rubber stamp BOE to thank for that bright idea.
Why is Hall the right guy?
Grepneff4545Bubba
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Mck dominated like they should have. Perry got humbled!!!!
Benchboss1
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I just think that he knows what needs done to get the program back where it should be/needs to be, and is willing to do it, but maybe doesn't necessarily know how to do it.
I also think that the culture at McKinley may need a bit more attention that he realized, much like Thom discovered, and will take more time to correct.
An example from an outsider, would be the rumored actions of one of the pups star players last year. If what I heard was true, that type of stuff can't be allowed.
As an example, at Massillon, Moore wasn't afraid to let Clark and Crable walk because they either wanted to do things their own way or tried to insist that their kid play a certain position. Love him or hate him, he doesn't put up with crap like that. I think Hall will get there, I just believe he is on a learning curve doing a job that he isn't quite prepared for.
I agree with a lot of what you say and they did need a coach to fill in for one season but how long do you give a guy to learn his trade? The clock should be ticking.
satoshi node
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How is Lance Long playing for the Bulldogs this year? I think he is #29. He transferred from Canton South for his senior year at Mckinley and hope he is having a good season.
Benchboss1
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Now that, I agree with 100%. What that time frame is, that is up to the powers that be in Canton.
just a fan
Success is Tradition!
Likewise, a comprehensive evaluation by the fans can and should occur at the conclusion of the season. The perpetual mid-season complaints do no good.
spyros1950
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JAF, With all due respect, haven't you also posted on these pages your thoughts regarding the lack of discipline by our team? As I do not recall anyone calling for a mid season personnel replacement, please enlighten me given that this is our Head Coach's FOURTH Year on the job. Thank you, sam
Lefthook37
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So are we saying that Hall does the right things the wrong way and the wrong things the right way that sounds like a Catch 22 I believe there is a movie out there about that, just saying