Brush leaving WRC

cardzfan1234

Well-known member
Bedford - I can’t see them wanting to leave the LEL. They seem like a bad fit.

Nordonia is a perfect fit for the Suburban, but if they prefer to have a less challenging football league, WRC fits the bill. Although I can’t say that it would be that much of a drop. Kenston and Chardon have recent state championships. Mayfield is solid. Riverside is on the up and up. Nordonia was in the old WRC with Mayfield and Kenston.
 

bucksman

Moderator
cardz: Nordonia is unhappy in the SL right now because they wanted to get bumped down to the smaller division (Cuyahoga Falls got that instead). They would go from being the smallest school in the SL to the biggest (or pretty darn close to biggest) in the WRC. However, their travel situation would be much worse in the WRC than in the bigger SL. The football politics with Nordonia (and to lesser extent Twinsburg) was one of the key components of the NOC going down the drain.

Unless Twinsburg is having competitive issues across sports, they fit really well in the bigger SL in terms of enrollment and geographic footprint. Going to the WRC - like with Nordonia - would expand their travel. Aurora is the interesting team of those in the SL, as they would move from the smaller SL division which is not as geographically compact as the bigger division so the travel trade-off is more equal.

Perry and Chagrin are significantly smaller than their WRC counter-parts, and Chagrin tends to not be a play nice in the sandbox type politically. If there are internal CVC issues then the WRC spot might be attractive to Perry - though for Perry their fall sports travel in the CVC would be pretty similar to the WRC, and then for winter & spring the CVC is very compact for them. With the CVC, any time you are trying to keep 22 schools aligned, it's not easy. West Geauga is bigger than Perry and Chagrin, but still would be at the bottom of the WRC in terms of enrollment.

Bedford is a weird one to me. They're non-competitive in most of the sports outside of football & basketball. However, the WRC would present greater stability than the LEL in terms of the league itself. I would think they end up like Brush quickly, as they are similar in profile to Brush but even worse in the not FB and hoops sports.
 

bmss17

Active member
cardz: Nordonia is unhappy in the SL right now because they wanted to get bumped down to the smaller division (Cuyahoga Falls got that instead). They would go from being the smallest school in the SL to the biggest (or pretty darn close to biggest) in the WRC. However, their travel situation would be much worse in the WRC than in the bigger SL. The football politics with Nordonia (and to lesser extent Twinsburg) was one of the key components of the NOC going down the drain.

Unless Twinsburg is having competitive issues across sports, they fit really well in the bigger SL in terms of enrollment and geographic footprint. Going to the WRC - like with Nordonia - would expand their travel. Aurora is the interesting team of those in the SL, as they would move from the smaller SL division which is not as geographically compact as the bigger division so the travel trade-off is more equal.

Perry and Chagrin are significantly smaller than their WRC counter-parts, and Chagrin tends to not be a play nice in the sandbox type politically. If there are internal CVC issues then the WRC spot might be attractive to Perry - though for Perry their fall sports travel in the CVC would be pretty similar to the WRC, and then for winter & spring the CVC is very compact for them. With the CVC, any time you are trying to keep 22 schools aligned, it's not easy. West Geauga is bigger than Perry and Chagrin, but still would be at the bottom of the WRC in terms of enrollment.

Bedford is a weird one to me. They're non-competitive in most of the sports outside of football & basketball. However, the WRC would present greater stability than the LEL in terms of the league itself. I would think they end up like Brush quickly, as they are similar in profile to Brush but even worse in the not FB and hoops sports.
If that’s the case with Nordonia, that’s such a shame since, as you mentioned, this was the exact same issue as their exodus from the NOC. Selfishly I wouldn’t be opposed as it would give Solon a MUCH better shot of getting into the SL.

It makes sense why Aurora keeps getting mentioned, but I just don’t see it. Their rivalry with Kenston never really kept up like I thought it would when they both got booted out of the CVC. And I know this gets overblown, but MS athletics do need to be taken into consideration when all else is equal. Their MS travel is EXTREMELY compact, which would be far from the case in the WRC. Aurora’s trips aren’t too awful in the SL for HS...probably a little better than the WRC.

Bedford doesn’t make sense to me either, but just going on what I heard. I know they did try and get out of the LEL a few years back when they applied to the SL.

IMO, Perry is really the intriguing one here. On paper they seem too small, but no doubt they could compete in multiple sports in the WRC, and with playoff expansion to 12 teams, maybe they wanted to try and step up their game. And just as important, they might just not like their new set up in the new CVC...no clue, but I do see themselves aligning more with the northern WRC schools than I do the CVC Lake schools. Again, I haven’t heard that, just my perception.
 

cjb56

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Bedford has been so desperate for so long to get out of the LEL they applied to the SWC on the west side a few years back.

I wish schools would organize their middle school schedules largely by geography and not so much by leagues. Size-aligned leagues with a larger geographic footprint are fine for high school, but not as necessary at the lower levels IMO.
 

BlackandGold

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I don't understand why Bedford is so eager to go elsewhere, especially with Garfield Heights and Shaker back in the LEL. Unless they no longer feel confident competing against larger schools likes Heights in football and basketball?

IMO, it would in the best interest of Nordonia to join the WRC with other schools, like Aurora and Twinsburg (increasing the league to 10). Otherwise, I'm not sure why they would want to increase their travel.

For Aurora, the WRC would be geographically similar to when they were in the CVC Chagrin (Painesville Harvey, Perry, Wickliffe). Also, they would reap the benefits in football of competing against D2 schools they typically can beat and have rivalries with strong D3 programs in Chardon and Kenston.

Perry may be considering the same as the points I made for Aurora.
 
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buno67

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If there are internal CVC issues then the WRC spot might be attractive to Perry - though for Perry their fall sports travel in the CVC would be pretty similar to the WRC, and then for winter & spring the CVC is very compact for them. With the CVC, any time you are trying to keep 22 schools aligned, it's not easy. West Geauga is bigger than Perry and Chagrin, but still would be at the bottom of the WRC in terms of enrollment.
no way Perry should join the WRC. Yeah they have been good at football the past few years but I think that has been for 1-2 classes and those were an all-time best kind of classes. class that schools sees maybe once every decade. I think they had a class like that in '99, '08, and what we just recently saw
 

BlackandGold

#BleedBlack&Gold
A major appeal for Perry could be travel and gate $$$, especially long-term when more people are vaccinated. League travel for the Pirates would reduce in the WRC because 6 of the 7 schools are within 30 minutes away. In the CVC, only 3 schools are within an half hour distance. I'm not sure the Ashtabula schools bring much of a following, at least compared to the WRC schools.
 

Carol Danvers

Active member
A major appeal for Perry could be travel and gate $$$, especially long-term when more people are vaccinated. League travel for the Pirates would reduce in the WRC because 6 of the 7 schools are within 30 minutes away. In the CVC, only 3 schools are within an half hour distance. I'm not sure the Ashtabula schools bring much of a following, at least compared to the WRC schools.
Perry likes where they are even with Kirtland coming in for football. Not going anywhere. Perry is closer to the 209 D5 cutoff than the 271 D3 cutoff with around 238 boys. AD TJ told me a couple years ago that they were trending to lower numbers, not sure if that's still the case. OOC games with Chardon, Madison and Riverside is about as much of the WRC that they want right now.
 

BlackandGold

#BleedBlack&Gold
Perry likes where they are even with Kirtland coming in for football. Not going anywhere. Perry is closer to the 209 D5 cutoff than the 271 D3 cutoff with around 238 boys. AD TJ told me a couple years ago that they were trending to lower numbers, not sure if that's still the case. OOC games with Chardon, Madison and Riverside is about as much of the WRC that they want right now.
Yes, I believe he is right based off this source. Elementary enrollment numbers appear to be trending lower.


Perry may not have the overall enrollment numbers, but they always turn out numbers for their athletic programs. They are able to compete at a higher level because of that.
 
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