Big Moe Basketball

JElder

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It amazes me that Coach doesn't just let those kids use their athleticism and play basketball. They can win it all but for me they play to many close games or let teams hang around because of their style. I still think they win the Region but i just dont see them winning State.
 

SWO

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It amazes me that Coach doesn't just let those kids use their athleticism and play basketball. They can win it all but for me they play to many close games or let teams hang around because of their style. I still think they win the Region but i just dont see them winning State.
Right. He’s had such little success by his methods. :rolleyes:
 

The Game

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Moeller looked flat and honestly tired last night. Also, give St. X credit, they played well. Moe has played a very tough schedule with essentially 5 player all year, and what appears to be Williams at 80% due to injury for the past 7-8 games. McCracken loss is really starting to show with their depth. Hopefully they recharge and get focused. This team can definitely cut down the nets again!
I believe 4 of the 5 starters are seniors this year. If they are mainly playing with 5 does that mean the cupboard will be somewhat bare next season to what people are used to? They have had a tremendous run of having D1 kids overlapping into the following season for what seems like a long time so the machine just keeps going. I know it is looking ahead, but if they are mainly playing 5, it sounds like there is not a lot on the bench.
 

AlCzervik

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I believe 4 of the 5 starters are seniors this year. If they are mainly playing with 5 does that mean the cupboard will be somewhat bare next season to what people are used to? They have had a tremendous run of having D1 kids overlapping into the following season for what seems like a long time so the machine just keeps going. I know it is looking ahead, but if they are mainly playing 5, it sounds like there is not a lot on the bench.
They only have 5 bc Kremer drove the good bench players from the program. The kids (starting 2 guard at McNick and starting pg for Wyoming) knew Kremer would never give them any minutes (even though he tells them the opposite to try and keep them at Moeller) so they left. You can't expect kids that want to play in college to just be scout team players with no chance of earning minutes. Now they have little depth. It's just like last years team when a number of seniors either left or just had enough and didn't even go out for the team (Thompson, Younkin, Valentine, Suter, Lloyd, Colbert).

It was a beautiful thing to see Kremer and Duncomb melt down at the end of the game against all that D3 talent for St. X.
 
They only have 5 bc Kremer drove the good bench players from the program. The kids (starting 2 guard at McNick and starting pg for Wyoming) knew Kremer would never give them any minutes (even though he tells them the opposite to try and keep them at Moeller) so they left. You can't expect kids that want to play in college to just be scout team players with no chance of earning minutes. Now they have little depth. It's just like last years team when a number of seniors either left or just had enough and didn't even go out for the team (Thompson, Younkin, Valentine, Suter, Lloyd, Colbert).

It was a beautiful thing to see Kremer and Duncomb melt down at the end of the game against all that D3 talent for St. X.
They only have 5 bc Kremer drove the good bench players from the program. The kids (starting 2 guard at McNick and starting pg for Wyoming) knew Kremer would never give them any minutes (even though he tells them the opposite to try and keep them at Moeller) so they left. You can't expect kids that want to play in college to just be scout team players with no chance of earning minutes. Now they have little depth. It's just like last years team when a number of seniors either left or just had enough and didn't even go out for the team (Thompson, Younkin, Valentine, Suter, Lloyd, Colbert).

It was a beautiful thing to see Kremer and Duncomb melt down at the end of the game against all that D3 talent for St. X.
Moeller Program at all 3 Levels presently sits at 46-6 for the 2020-21 season. Crusaders still are the team to beat headed into the tourney. Moe may rebuild next season, however much to your displeasure, the program will continue to be among Ohio's best moving forward, and have an excellent shot at yet another state title this season.
 

AlCzervik

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Moeller Program at all 3 Levels presently sits at 46-6 for the 2020-21 season. Crusaders still are the team to beat headed into the tourney. Moe may rebuild next season, however much to your displeasure, the program will continue to be among Ohio's best moving forward, and have an excellent shot at yet another state title this season.
Going to be hard without McKracken . . . he was their best and most athletic player.
 

JElder

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I believe 4 of the 5 starters are seniors this year. If they are mainly playing with 5 does that mean the cupboard will be somewhat bare next season to what people are used to? They have had a tremendous run of having D1 kids overlapping into the following season for what seems like a long time so the machine just keeps going. I know it is looking ahead, but if they are mainly playing 5, it sounds like there is not a lot on the bench.
Moe will be down for Moe next season but I still expect them to finish 2nd in the GCLS behind Elder. I would think they go 16-6 or in that range depending on schedule. The soph/jr kids are ok but they have a loaded frosh class that may be able to help at Varsity next year.
 

JElder

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Right. He’s had such little success by his methods. :rolleyes:
You make a fair point but so do I. Moeller has been loaded with high level D1 and D2 kids for years not to mention NBA talent. Anyone and I mean anyone could have won State Titles with that talent. I will be very interested to see how they are next year with only 1 D1 kid on the roster. Carl is amazing at running a program and getting great basketball players from great families to join the program. From an X and O standpoint I think he leaves a lot to be desired. There is just no way he should be losing to X and Elder with the talent and size he has. He should have never been in the position to lose to Jackson a few years back with the talent he had either. Scoring in the high 30's and low 40's with D1 guys across the board is unacceptable!
 
You make a fair point but so do I. Moeller has been loaded with high level D1 and D2 kids for years not to mention NBA talent. Anyone and I mean anyone could have won State Titles with that talent. I will be very interested to see how they are next year with only 1 D1 kid on the roster. Carl is amazing at running a program and getting great basketball players from great families to join the program. From an X and O standpoint I think he leaves a lot to be desired. There is just no way he should be losing to X and Elder with the talent and size he has. He should have never been in the position to lose to Jackson a few years back with the talent he had either. Scoring in the high 30's and low 40's with D1 guys across the board is unacceptable!
Kremer is 616-162 with 5 State titles. But he's got to get better with the X's and O's...Hummm?
 

Kballer

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Al- you keep mentioning guys who left, the bench players from the past couple of years who left- they all playing D1?
 

AlCzervik

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Al- you keep mentioning guys who left, the bench players from the past couple of years who left- they all playing D1?
You don't win with just 5 guys even if they are D1. Did you not watch Friday's game? You need depth. St X has a bunch of D3 kids that ran circles around the D1 guys. Proves the X's an O's point from JElder. My point is that Kremer needs to go deeper and play 8-10 guys. All the guys that left will play or could have played D3. A couple had D2 offers and one is playing D1.
 
You don't win with just 5 guys even if they are D1. Did you not watch Friday's game? You need depth. St X has a bunch of D3 kids that ran circles around the D1 guys. Proves the X's an O's point from JElder. My point is that Kremer needs to go deeper and play 8-10 guys. All the guys that left will play or could have played D3. A couple had D2 offers and one is playing D1.
It was one game. Lets see what happens if Moe plays X again in the tourney. You people are to much.
 

AlCzervik

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No blinders, just been around long enough to know a bitter parent when I see one. The Moeller program isn’t for everyone- it’s good if kids/parents who can’t handle it opt out.
I can tell you went to Moeller bc you can't follow along . . .
 
Is the tournament game with Little Miami cancelled for today? It's listed as no contest on the tournament web site Did LM bail on the Crusaders
 
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