CoachHoversten
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True, I will clarify, this player did not slide, stayed in the basepath, and threw his arm out towards the ball trying to break it up.
Ahhh, well that’s FPSR all day long
True, I will clarify, this player did not slide, stayed in the basepath, and threw his arm out towards the ball trying to break it up.
For reference, I had a college game last weekend where a play developed at the plate, but I was BU, and runner and catcher collided with a POP, I mean it was hard, and runner went flying to the ground. My partner immediately signaled "that's nothing", meaning unavoidable contact, but I remember thinking, "I am glad I wasn't plate guy for that play" because if he was correct, it looked really bad for being nothing, but very well could have been,
On a pitch in the dirt, is the catcher allowed to shoulder the batter out of the way in his pursuit of the ball?
Didn't appear to be malicious. Batter took the pitch and just stood in the box. No one tried to advance.Rule 7-3 Batting Infractions
A Batter Shall Not:
ART. 5 . . . Interfere with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by:
a. leaning over home plate,
b. stepping out of the batter’s box,
c. making any other movement, including follow-through interference, which hinders actions at home plate or the catcher’s attempt to play on a runner, or
d. failing to make a reasonable effort to vacate a congested area when there is a throw to home plate and there is time for the batter to move away
What's not clear (see "had to be there" comment by Coach Hoversten) is, did that movement hinder the catcher's attempt to make a play on the runner. You have to ask your self....
- was the runner already trying to advance or return to a base?
If yes, then you ask.... absent the action by the batter, would he have successfully reached that base?
If no, then you ask, did that action by the batter allow the runner to advance to the next base?
Sorting that out will help you determine whether or not Offensive INT has occurred
I'm ignoring the shoulder by the catcher unless the contact reached the level of malicious contact.
Is there any rule governing the offensive team being ready to go after a pitching change? Was at a game tonight where, after the new pitcher had completed his warm up throws, the base runners had not gone back to their bases yet and the game was held up due to this. Was enough of a delay to be noticeable.
Preventitive umpiring usually will prevent this. CoachHoversten is right in NCAA. In NFHS, I will say with two remaining warmup pitches "Two left. Runners, let's return and batter get ready for us" and that takes care of it 99.45% of the time. The other .55%, well, I have to take care of business.Is there any rule governing the offensive team being ready to go after a pitching change? Was at a game tonight where, after the new pitcher had completed his warm up throws, the base runners had not gone back to their bases yet and the game was held up due to this. Was enough of a delay to be noticeable.
I'll agree with AllSports12 on this one.Yeah, I'd rather not get into coach bashing on here.
More appropriate to open a thread in the main board for this.
Was very surprised that the umps did not say anything to the team about this. He was very visibly signaling how many warm up pitches remained and all warm up pitches had been completed before the runner at first base even passed the pitchers mound on his way back at a slow walk.Cedarbuck, the only rules that govern the situation you describe is that the offensive team shall be charged with an offensive conference. In NFHS, they get 1 per inning, in NCAA they get 3 for the game (plus 1 for extras).
So let's say that happened in the 4th inning...the offensive team shall now be denied any further requests for an offensive conference in that inning if you are playing FED rules.
Edit: I should have clarified...the act of meeting together during a pitching change in of itself is not an offensive conference, the delaying of the game afterwards is what makes it one.
While no specific rule....... uniforms are to be worn properly. They are designed to be worn with the shirts tucked in.Is there a rule about the pitcher's jersey being tucked in?
Was at a game where the back half of the jersey was untucked and I kept waiting for the umpire to say something or approach the coach about it.While no specific rule....... uniforms are to be worn properly. They are designed to be worn with the shirts tucked in.
That said a pitcher cannot have anything that would be considered distracting to the batter. (and umpire)
If he wants to pitch..... he'll tuck it in and keep it tucked in.
Follow up- Based on your comments I am assuming that should the jersey issue be addressed and the pitcher refuses to tuck it in you would require the coach to replace him?
Just had a semi heated argument with my friend and fellow ncaa umpire.
yesterday I was on plate and he was U1 (in a 3-man system. R1 with no one out, batter swings at pitch in dirt for strike three.
I declared batter out but he took off anyways, neither he nor catcher knew the rule, bc catcher threw to first. Throw was bad, R1 got to third. Catcher asked if he was allowed to run and I said yes, it was on him to know the situation (or hear me declare batter out)
my friend, U1, asked me later if that is retired runner interference, I said no. Now, could he have interfered by some other action? Yes. But not just by running. He said ok.
then today he did another 3-man game and a veteran ump convinced him it was interference and he can’t run and now he won’t accept my answer.
vet ump quoted rule 8-5-p but that says a runner is out when a batter who is already Put out interferes with a play being made on “said runner”, so that would be a play on R1 in our situation, not on the batter.
can you clarify ?
Just had a semi heated argument with my friend and fellow ncaa umpire.
yesterday I was on plate and he was U1 (in a 3-man system. R1 with no one out, batter swings at pitch in dirt for strike three.
I declared batter out but he took off anyways, neither he nor catcher knew the rule, bc catcher threw to first. Throw was bad, R1 got to third. Catcher asked if he was allowed to run and I said yes, it was on him to know the situation (or hear me declare batter out)
my friend, U1, asked me later if that is retired runner interference, I said no. Now, could he have interfered by some other action? Yes. But not just by running. He said ok.
then today he did another 3-man game and a veteran ump convinced him it was interference and he can’t run and now he won’t accept my answer.
vet ump quoted rule 8-5-p but that says a runner is out when a batter who is already Put out interferes with a play being made on “said runner”, so that would be a play on R1 in our situation, not on the batter.
can you clarify ?
Anyone had the games stopped , and hand sanitiser to the mound, for a pitcher who licked his fingers yet?
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How can a batter or runner who is already put out, interfere on a play being made on themselves?
"said runner" refers to another runner. If it didn't, the result would be a batter or runner who was already put out being declared out a second time, which we all know cannot happen.
If that gets you nowhere with them.... ask the following......
When did the at bat end? (no longer a batter)
When did the batter become a runner? (never did)
I have never seen or heard that even being a thing. Ever.Allsports, my point is that THEIR point is the batter running is itself an act of interference. The batter did nothing to interfere in this play, he didn’t run out of runners lane, he didn’t swat at the ball, he didn’t collide with a fielder...
They are arguing he isn’t allowed to run bc he’s already out, and in doing so, he confused the catcher (hinder, impede, confuse)
Which is why I want you to ask them how they are going to apply a rule that states...Allsports, my point is that THEIR point is the batter running is itself an act of interference. The batter did nothing to interfere in this play, he didn’t run out of runners lane, he didn’t swat at the ball, he didn’t collide with a fielder...
They are arguing he isn’t allowed to run bc he’s already out, and in doing so, he confused the catcher (hinder, impede, confuse)