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AllSports12

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And thankfully the officials correctly allowed the coach to do that. Unfortunately I feel pretty confident that too many officials have no idea it is allowed by rule.
And unfortunately, even less realize that the substituted players cannot re-enter the game until the ball has become live and the clock has run properly.
 

14Red

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This is more of a general observation than a question. I watched the girls finals last weekend, the some of the boys tournament games, and I applaud the officials who do this job. It's a labor of love and certainly the pay isn't a reason to get into it.

My comment is the way boys and girls games are officiated and the behavior of the participants.

I know there are not differences in "boys" officials and "girls" officials, but man are they called completely different. It seems like the girls games are called very tight, with little contact, alot of ticky tack calls. While the boys games turn into free for alls and barn ball at times. Why is this?

The second part of my comment is many of the boys (and coaches) are whiners. They contest every call, palms up to the roof, question officials. I rarely if ever see or hear a girl question an officials call. I realize alot of this is what pro and college players do.
 

AllSports12

Moderator
This is more of a general observation than a question. I watched the girls finals last weekend, the some of the boys tournament games, and I applaud the officials who do this job. It's a labor of love and certainly the pay isn't a reason to get into it.

My comment is the way boys and girls games are officiated and the behavior of the participants.

I know there are not differences in "boys" officials and "girls" officials, but man are they called completely different. It seems like the girls games are called very tight, with little contact, alot of ticky tack calls. While the boys games turn into free for alls and barn ball at times. Why is this?

The second part of my comment is many of the boys (and coaches) are whiners. They contest every call, palms up to the roof, question officials. I rarely if ever see or hear a girl question an officials call. I realize alot of this is what pro and college players do.
I'll address the second part of your comment first......

In my experience, there is no difference in boys and girls coaches and very little difference between boys and girls players. They both know how to complain, they both know how to whine, and they both know how to coach.

As far as the difference in officiating boys and girls games, particularly the "ticky tacky" foul perception.......

The game is different. Anyone who denies that is denying reality. In general, the boys know how to absorb and play through contact without it affecting their rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness. It's not the end all-meets all barometer for calling fouls, but it is something we consider.

Maybe a better way to describe this is the guys generally can get from point A to point B with contact than girls can get from point A to point B with contact. That deviation in the route has to be addressed with a foul call.
 

14Red

Well-known member
I'll address the second part of your comment first......

In my experience, there is no difference in boys and girls coaches and very little difference between boys and girls players. They both know how to complain, they both know how to whine, and they both know how to coach.

As far as the difference in officiating boys and girls games, particularly the "ticky tacky" foul perception.......

The game is different. Anyone who denies that is denying reality. In general, the boys know how to absorb and play through contact without it affecting their rhythm, speed, balance, or quickness. It's not the end all-meets all barometer for calling fouls, but it is something we consider.

Maybe a better way to describe this is the guys generally can get from point A to point B with contact than girls can get from point A to point B with contact. That deviation in the route has to be addressed with a foul call.
Thanks for posting. I just wonder what games you are doing? I rarely if ever see much emotion from girls on foul calls on them (or lackthereof) boys are constantly questioning calls and making faces at officials. I'm an old dog and back when I played, you even give an official an eyeball and they were staring you down, threating a T.

So here's my issue with the way games are called today, so even if there is contact, or the deviation of the route occurs, because boys can "play through the contact" but girls can't makes it a foul or a play on?? I'd really like to see high school basketball cleaned up. It's way too physical and I feel it impedes the better ball player. A physical player and stop a skilled player if allowed to play a certain way, and I see that way too often these days. Just my opinion.
 

AllSports12

Moderator
Thanks for posting. I just wonder what games you are doing? I rarely if ever see much emotion from girls on foul calls on them (or lackthereof) boys are constantly questioning calls and making faces at officials. I'm an old dog and back when I played, you even give an official an eyeball and they were staring you down, threating a T.
I have officiated thousands of games in my career. Boys and girls, Men and women..... Believe me, the guys don't have a monopoly on whining/complaining/unsporting conduct over the girls......

So here's my issue with the way games are called today, so even if there is contact, or the deviation of the route occurs, because boys can "play through the contact" but girls can't makes it a foul or a play on??
Nowhere did I say or even suggest that.
 

AllSports12

Moderator
Team A shoots a shot and the ball hits the rim and the ball bounces back to the backcourt. Can team A retrieve the ball and it not be an over and back?
Yes

One of the elements for a backcourt violation to occur is there must be team control. Team control for A ended once the ball was released on the try.

Many times we see this play happen........ A shoots and there is a long rebound followed by a scramble for the ball. Nobody possesses the ball and A is the last to touch the ball in the frontcourt followed by A being first to touch in the backcourt......

No violation in this case either
 
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