CoachHoversten
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Who is "they"? The team that intercepted? If that is what you mean, why in the world would the team that threw the INT decline the penalty?
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Who is "they"? The team that intercepted? If that is what you mean, why in the world would the team that threw the INT decline the penalty?
AllSports12
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Home Team up big in 4th Q. 3rd string QB calls for a pass play against the wishes of the head coach. Head Coach declines penalty (and the points) allowing the opponent to keep the ball.
It has happened.
AllSports12
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Under NFHS Rules.......
Where the passer is on the field is irrelevant.
Whether or not the ball passes the line of scrimmage is irrelevant
Intentional Grounding is defined as:
- A pass intentionally thrown into an area not occupied by an eligible offensive receiver.
- A pass intentionally thrown incomplete to save loss of yardage or to conserve time.
ed r forshey
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Can a QB kill the clock with a spike in the shotgun formation
Thought they had to be under center
Thought they had to be under center
AllSports12
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A rule change this year now allows this from a position directly behind the snapper. (either under center or shotgun)
Do you know the logic behind the original rule? That you had to take the snap from directly under center?
This may have been covered earlier. Onside kick.
1 Ball has not gone 10 yards yet. Can K player block R player or must ball have gone 10 yards?
2 Does ball have to hit ground before being played or can K "pooch" it 10 yards?
3 Can K "pooch" cross field hoping for a "burner" from his team being able to field on the fly?
1 Ball has not gone 10 yards yet. Can K player block R player or must ball have gone 10 yards?
2 Does ball have to hit ground before being played or can K "pooch" it 10 yards?
3 Can K "pooch" cross field hoping for a "burner" from his team being able to field on the fly?
Thanks. Thought that was the case, but can be confusing when watching HS football from different states and college.
AllSports12
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when the rule was originally written, the “shotgun” formation was rare at best.
it finally changed when it became evident to the committee that the majority of teams were using this formation in situations such as these
BleedPurple13
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Team A runs bubble screen but the receiver releases down field slightly first and the ball is thrown over the LOS(1-2 yards). Team A guard immediately fires out and blocks Team B linebacker >3 yards off LOS. Is this ineligible man downfield? Is there a 2 yard grace for a non-engaged player to release downfield if the ball is thrown over the line?
Thank you.
Thank you.
2 yard grace? yes
Three yards downfield he is an ineligible downfield.
Since he is blocking it is offensive PI.
AllSports12
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To clarify, the neutral zone may be expanded up to a maximum of two yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage in the field of play during any scrimmage down.
Mr. Slippery
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Are there any conditions for which a “crack back” or blindside block would be legal?
I was watching a game and saw 1 possible and 1 definite blindside block on the same play within 3 yards of each other along the near sideline which resulted in a long TD. Neither were flagged.
I was watching a game and saw 1 possible and 1 definite blindside block on the same play within 3 yards of each other along the near sideline which resulted in a long TD. Neither were flagged.
AllSports12
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The definition of a blindside block is...
"a block against an opponent other than the runner, who does not see the blocker approaching."
Not all blindside blocks are illegal. A blindside block with forceful contact initiated with open hands is legal, inside or outside of the free blocking zone.
There is no definition for a crack back block under NFHS Rules.
The Dock
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0-0 before half, 2nd down... six seconds in the half. Team 'A' kicks field goal, Team 'B' blocks it. A recovers and the ball-carrier never touches the ground, but the play is whistled dead sometime after the block -- it is unclear in real time to me (the spectator) if it is before Team A recovers the ball. Team B thinks the half is over. The refs instruct Team B to go back to the sideline and tell them since it was an inadvertent whistle there's going to be an untimed down for Team A. Team A re-kicks and gets the FG. Goes up 3-0 into half.
Did the refs get this one correct, in issuing an untimed down to Team A as a result of the inadvertent whistle? I know PAT's are blown dead immediately upon a block but not field goals.
Did the refs get this one correct, in issuing an untimed down to Team A as a result of the inadvertent whistle? I know PAT's are blown dead immediately upon a block but not field goals.
AllSports12
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The officials were correct.
- If the whistle was blown before the ball was possessed by A, by rule the down is replayed.
- If the whistle was blown after A was in possession of the ball, A would have the option of either taking the result of the play (which is A is down at the spot he was when the whistle was blown) or replaying the down. In this case, the former is the obvious choice as the half would have ended if they chose the result of the play.
When time expires during a play like this and there are no accepted penalties, an untimed down is awarded,
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Yappi
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I watched this exact play happen about 6 years ago. The "receiver" ended up with a broken leg as the kicking team player dove and caught the ball crashing into the receivers leg. I believe at that time, it was already a penalty and the receiving team got the ball but at a steep price.
Mr. Slippery
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Obviously, the certified refs on this forum will give a more definitive answer, but I recall it being an NFHS rule that the kicking team cannot legally recover a kickoff that hasn’t either hit the ground or been contacted by the receiving team first.
AllSports12
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K cannot touch a free kick in flight, even if there are no R players anywhere near the ball. If they do, then K has committed Kick Catch Interference.
Once a free kick that has been grounded and has gone yards past the free kick line, K may recover the kick, but they cannot advance said kick. The ball becomes dead on the recovery and they will put the ball in play first and ten at that dead ball spot.
Team A is in "victory formation" running out the clock. Team B has conceded and only the center and QB are actively participating in the plays. On the second victory formation play, Player from Team B comes full speed and pancakes a player from Team A who is simply standing there. Refs throw flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. Is this player automatically ejected from the game or is it refs judgement call?
What's the score?
As officials, we cannot prevent the players from charging out in this situation. Therefore the official would have to judge if it would be worthy of a flag or an ejection.
AllSports12
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We can't talk specifics on something we did not see.
That said, when the score is less than a 9 point differential and Team B is out of time outs, we tell Team A to be ready to protect themselves and their teammates. We tell Team B to not do anything stupid.
We cannot tell B to not play as stranger things have happened.
If someone from B (or A) does something stupid, like blindsides a defenseless player, then a flagrant foul could be in order.
Officials who properly manage games rarely have issues with victory formations. Those that lack game management skills or tell teams the wrong thing generally run into issues.
That said, when the score is less than a 9 point differential and Team B is out of time outs, we tell Team A to be ready to protect themselves and their teammates. We tell Team B to not do anything stupid.
We cannot tell B to not play as stranger things have happened.
If someone from B (or A) does something stupid, like blindsides a defenseless player, then a flagrant foul could be in order.
Officials who properly manage games rarely have issues with victory formations. Those that lack game management skills or tell teams the wrong thing generally run into issues.
Help please..... just a question
Could someone assist me. Situation is 4th and less than a yard going into score. Defense jumps off sides and the refs throw the flag.... the ball does not move as they stated it's as far as it goes... no automatic first down? Is this really a rule.
If I'm on the 25 and same situation then the offense is given the First down
Could someone assist me. Situation is 4th and less than a yard going into score. Defense jumps off sides and the refs throw the flag.... the ball does not move as they stated it's as far as it goes... no automatic first down? Is this really a rule.
If I'm on the 25 and same situation then the offense is given the First down
AllSports12
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Encroachment (there is no off sides in High School Football) is never an automatic first down. It's either 5 yards from the previous dead ball spot or half the distance to the goal line from the previous dead ball spot.
Now, you stated "4th and less than a yard going into score"
Did you mean 4th and goal to go?
zebrastripes
Well-known member
If the line to gain is the goal line you’re never going to get a first down for an encroachment foul.
The only “automatic first downs” in NFHS are for roughing the passer, roughing the kicker/holder, and roughing the snapper.