AllSports12
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Maybe they ruled progress stopped at the one. Being 50yds away will greatly skew the perception of where the ball was.
Or, maybe they just kicked the crap out of the call
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Or, maybe they just kicked the crap out of the call
If it's roughing the passer, yes. If it's just a late hit, no.
AllSports12
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The only automatic first downs are
roughing the passer, kicker, snapper, or holder.
Typically, “late hit” means as dead ball foul. By definition, that is not roughing the passer
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AllSports12
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Ok, here's the rule book definition of hurdling.....
Rule 2-22 Hurdling
Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet
Still photos don't show the entire play. In this photo, there's no way to tell that whether or not the defender had any other part of his body on the ground when the runner began that move.
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Let's assume that he didn't (because he didn't, but granted you can't tell that from a picture). The contention was made that it was not hurdling because "[The defender is] not on his feet. Toes aren't feet. He's falling forward."
Does that preclude a targeting call? Do NFHS rules say anything about whether toes are not feet?
AllSports12
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at the person making that contention, whether it be a fan, coach, player, or official.Not sure what relevance that has here....
See my first response.
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Just making sure.
Curious about the referee/coach's box. I know there's a line that is supposed to be 3yds off of the sideline "Get Back Line." That 3yds is for the LJ/SJ correct?
I noticed during a game Friday night (on both sidelines) the LJ and SJ standing on that line instead of the sideline (usually see them on the sideline). Then, when they went to run down the field, they went in a loop and ran into a coach standing BEHIND the line and then throwing a flag for a sideline warning.
This can't be correct can it? If a coach is behind that line and gets ran into, that has to be on the official right?
I noticed during a game Friday night (on both sidelines) the LJ and SJ standing on that line instead of the sideline (usually see them on the sideline). Then, when they went to run down the field, they went in a loop and ran into a coach standing BEHIND the line and then throwing a flag for a sideline warning.
This can't be correct can it? If a coach is behind that line and gets ran into, that has to be on the official right?
CedarBuck92
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2 General rules questions from Friday.
Can 2 coaches agree before the game to start the running clock as soon as the threshold is met regardless of quarter?
Can 2 coaches agree before the game to shorten quarters if a blowout is expected?
Can 2 coaches agree before the game to start the running clock as soon as the threshold is met regardless of quarter?
Can 2 coaches agree before the game to shorten quarters if a blowout is expected?
Personal experience with Question 1, as my son's team has experienced it
Team A is only has 13-14 players (think Vanlue). They request Team B to start the running clock after 21 points (Team B agrees), which happens half way through the 1Q.
AllSports12
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I cannot comment on what you saw, I can only tell you that the rule requires that the restricted area be clear of all players, non-players, and coaches when the ball is live.
Apparently what you saw and what the official saw were two different things.
Yes and yes. Quarters can be shortened at any time by mutual agreement.
AllSports12
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Coaches can agree to any of these at any point in the game.
CedarBuck92
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Had a disagreement with a coach who said they were not allowed to start the running clock before the second half even though both coaches acknowledged a blowout was likely
AllSports12
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It's clearly stated in the OHSAA Point Differential publication on the website. Direct him there.
It's 2 yards, not 3.
I frequently stand with my heels on the "get back" line.
If they ran into the coach it's 15 yards, not a warning.
CedarBuck92
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Even if the coach is fully behind the get back line?
Both coaches got warnings on Friday night
This is why I asked the question. Especially on the visitor's side because the coach was behind the chains (I'm on the chain crew)
BullWhistle
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On most of the newer HS fields, there is a "get back line" on each of the sidelines that makes it very easy to understand the boundaries. Not sure if those are present at your particular field or not. Nonetheless, sounds like the official went wide and lost track of where he was as he trailed the play. Thankfully he didn't run into you or else you would have drawn the flag.
AllSports12
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A friendly reminder.......
This thread is for questions about rules and mechanics. If the question does not specifically indicate the rule set, it's assumed to be about a high school rule and will be answered in that manner.
Continued claims about what did or didn't happen on a play after the rule question has been asked will be deleted. We weren't there, you were. You may be 100% right or you may be mistaken on what you saw. It serves no purpose on this thread to go back and forth on something that was alleged to have happened.
Thanks......
AS12
This thread is for questions about rules and mechanics. If the question does not specifically indicate the rule set, it's assumed to be about a high school rule and will be answered in that manner.
Continued claims about what did or didn't happen on a play after the rule question has been asked will be deleted. We weren't there, you were. You may be 100% right or you may be mistaken on what you saw. It serves no purpose on this thread to go back and forth on something that was alleged to have happened.
Thanks......
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smurfyeah19
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That rule includes the Referee okaying it though. Our crew has been firm in that we will not allow this until the 2nd half & I think more should do the same. It cheats underclassmen and fansIt's clearly stated in the OHSAA Point Differential publication on the website. Direct him there.
Read it again. Rule 3-1-3 allows the referee to be included in the agreement to shorten quarters or terminate the game. But 3-1-2 and the publication on the OHSAA website say nothing about the referee getting a say in the running clock.
AllSports12
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The running clock rule adopted by the OHSAA says nothing about the Referee being involved if the coaches agree to utilize it in the first half.
As far as the NFHS rule allowing the shortening of quarters, why would any official object to this? The underclassmen (I'm assuming you are talking about the 2's and 3's) and the fans are not our concern. That's between them, the coaches, and their athletic director.
There has never been a recommendation (and for good reason) from the OHSAA for officials to object shortening of any period or early termination of a contest. Officials can address their concerns with how the teams are managed by filing a game report notifying Columbus that a contest was played with shortened periods or was terminated early.
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Pantherontheporch
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Does the OHSAA spring for 7 man crews for the state semis and title games? How hard will it be (if they do) or would it be (if they don't) for guys who have worked as a 5 man crew all season to integrate two more officials? And how hard would it be for those two additional officials who have worked as part of a 5 man crew all season to integrate into a 7 man crew? Thanks.
6 man
The OHSAA Director of Officiating wants that for regular season games within two years.
Some crews are there now.
AllSports12
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Going from 5 to 7 is a snap. Nothing changes for the R and the U. The two current wings don't have to worry about "turning and burning"
on a deep sideline pass any longer as the deep wings pick that coverage up. Mnor changes for the BJ.7 person mechanics are fantastic.
The CJ in a 6 person mechanic right now is largely a ball spotter.
Yes, we need 5 or 7. If it is 6, I prefer to have a CJ instead of two deep wings. Partially because I'm a back judge and partially because you lose out on that inside out angle if you don't have someone there.Going from 5 to 7 is a snap. Nothing changes for the R and the U. The two current wings don't have to worry about "turning and burning"
7 person mechanics are fantastic.
The CJ in a 6 person mechanic right now is largely a ball spotter.