A high school band director was tased by cops at a football game after he refused orders to stop his musicians from playing

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The police said they ordered both directors to stop their bands' performances to allow cops to clear out the stadium but that Minor High's director failed to comply.

He refused police orders to stop, instead instructing his band to keep playing, the police department said in a statement issued on September 15.
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A high school band director was tased by cops at a football game after he refused orders to stop his musicians from playing

Arrest warrants were issued for disorderly conduct, harassment, and resisting arrest following the altercation at an Alabama high school.
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This happened in Alabama. We live in a diverse country. Tasing band directors should be allowed in Alabama and illegal in California. Then you can choose to live in whichever state with laws you prefer
 
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I wonder if the police telling the band director to stop the music was a lawful order. Likely not. I see these charges being dropped just before the lawsuit is filed by the band director. This is a bad look for the local police security who more than likely were butt hurt that they lost and were trying to quell the victors’ celebration, which is generally considered acceptable protocol at a HS football game.
 
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Everything the police did here is wrong.

The band director should get money.

Some police should be suspended without pay, or just fired.
 
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oxat622 said:
He got tasered for resisting arrest, not for refusing to stop the band.
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Exactly but if it was not a lawful order, then everything the police did afterwards was illegal and could be considered assault. There’s a lot in that article that was left unsaid. Definitely need more facts.
 
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Maybe Dunkin' Donuts was about to close and the police were in a hurry to get there?
 
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Steel Valley FB said:
Exactly but if it was not a lawful order, then everything the police did afterwards was illegal and could be considered assault. There’s a lot in that article that was left unsaid. Definitely need more facts.
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It was students participating in a school activity. Police were wrong to intervene.
 
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chs1971 said:
It was students participating in a school activity. Police were wrong to intervene.
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The police said they ordered both directors to stop their bands' performances to allow cops to clear out the stadium but that Minor High's director failed to comply.
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Reads as if the school activity was over and band derp refused to acknowledge authority and follow official direction. Trespassing. Sounds like a typical case of two band directors comparing the size of their tubas. Tazing seems appropriate.
 
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eastisbest said:
Reads as if the school activity was over and band derp refused to acknowledge authority and follow official direction. Trespassing. Sounds like a typical case of two band directors comparing the size of their tubas. Tazing seems appropriate.
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Post-game music by the marching band is a school activity. It was obviously not over.

In the USA the Police have no authority over a school activity.

Official direction would come from game management, i.e., the AD or principal. Not Barney Fife or Derek Chauvin.
 
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chs1971 said:
1) Post-game music by the marching band is a school activity. It was obviously not over.

2) In the USA the Police have no authority over a school activity.

3) Official direction would come from game management, i.e., the AD or principal. Not Barney Fife or Derek Chauvin.
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1) Apparently it was. Zzzzztttt. lol
2) They do have authority when hired to have authority but you be you. Next time you plan to walk by the officer and refuse to be scanned, warn me ahead of time. I want to see. :D
3) NO AD or Principal is going to over rule the officer working a game. None, Na da. You're looking silly now.
 
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eastisbest said:
1) Apparently it was. Zzzzztttt. lol
2) They do have authority when hired to have authority but you be you. Next time you plan to walk by the officer and refuse to be scanned, warn me ahead of time. I want to see. :D
3) NO AD or Principal is going to over rule the officer working a game. None, Na da. You're looking silly now.
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^^^ Ignorance. ^^^
 
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eastisbest said:
Reads as if the school activity was over and band derp refused to acknowledge authority and follow official direction. Trespassing. Sounds like a typical case of two band directors comparing the size of their tubas. Tazing seems appropriate.
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Was ordering the band director to stop playing a lawful order? Most people are under the false impression that police have ultimate authority, but they don’t. Failure to comply with an unlawful order is not illegal.
 
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What evidence that it was an unlawful order? Just because you work someplace, doesn't mean you have all rights to be there whenever. If the game was over and people were told to vacate, they are to vacate, right? The article I can read doesn't give a whole lot of information on what let up to the officer telling the bands to hit the road jack.
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^^^ Ignorance. ^^^
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that's best you got, differing and personal attack? You're the one willfully pronouncing judgement with minimal facts. That's the very definition of ignorance.

This seems to be hitting you a bit close to home, lol

Zzzzzt, Zzzzzt
 
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eastisbest said:
that's best you got, differing and personal attack? You're the one willfully pronouncing judgement with minimal facts. That's the very definition of ignorance.

This seems to be hitting you a bit close to home, lol
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Nothing personal. You just don't know what you are talking about.

With over 45 years in pubic education, I do.

Unless there is an active crime scene, the police do not tell the AD and principal what to do.
 
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chs1971 said:
Nothing personal. You just don't know what you are talking about.

With over 45 years in pubic education, I do.

Unless there is an active crime scene, the police do not tell the AD and principal what to do.
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Your 45 years don't mean jack. Facts, which weren't all there, mean jack.

I presume you saw the part about the stadium lights already being out? Admitted by the tazzee?

If the police determine there is an unsafe situation or otherwise law being broken, neither AD nor Principal means jack.

These officers could have been asked by AD or Principal to clear the area. They said they had the job to clear the stadium. That includes bands. Anyone not following that order, weren't they then trespassing?


What is clear, ONE band director was refusing to comply with the people in charge. Either wasn't leaving or by playing was encouraging others not to leave. Someone refuses to leave your house, you just let them stay as long as they feel?

We simply were not given that information. You made your pronouncement without know the facts. THAT is called "ignorance."

Zzzzzt, Zzzzzt
 
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eastisbest said:
What evidence that it was an unlawful order? Just because you work someplace, doesn't mean you have all rights to be there whenever. If the game was over and people were told to vacate, they are to vacate, right? The article I can read doesn't give a whole lot of information on what let up to the officer telling the bands to hit the road jack.

that's best you got, differing and personal attack? You're the one willfully pronouncing judgement with minimal facts. That's the very definition of ignorance.

This seems to be hitting you a bit close to home, lol

Zzzzzt, Zzzzzt
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I think we‘d both agree that more details need presented.

Though, the reasoning by the police that the music had to be stopped in order to direct the spectators from the stadium doesn’t seem to hold water. The other band had stopped playing and were still in their place. So both bands were still in their position and one was playing music and one was not.

In your opinion, what makes that a lawful order? Please tell me something other than “the police said so”.
 
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It remains unclear if band director Johnny Mims was lawfully arrested, attorneys in Birmingham told USA TODAY. It makes sense that police wanted to clear the stadium that night, said attorney Eric Guster, because Thursday's game came just weeks after a teenager brought a gun to a football game in nearby Hueytown, Alabama, causing players to drop to the field to try to protect themselves.

"The police have the duty to protect the students and the parents who attend the football games," Guster said. "The police have a duty to make sure they clear the stadium in a timely manner and make sure everyone gets in their cars and gets home safely."

By ignoring police multiple times, Mims set a "horrible" example for the students, said Brian Higgins, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

Mims was charged with disorderly conduct, harassment and resisting arrest.


 
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Steel Valley FB said:
I think we‘d both agree that more details need presented.

Though, the reasoning by the police that the music had to be stopped in order to direct the spectators from the stadium doesn’t seem to hold water. The other band had stopped playing and were still in their place. So both bands were still in their position and one was playing music and one was not.

In your opinion, what makes that a lawful order? Please tell me something other than “the police said so”.
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I never said it was a lawful order so my two plus two is to wait and see on what we agree needs to happen. More facts.

With Clyde I'm only calling out his presumptions getting in the way of his ability to logic. Law doesn't end when entering a football field stadium or even any private property. Police can still police. I make no claim on whether or not they policed well. The only known fact from the article that seems relevant is that stadium lights were out. That would sway my judgment.
 
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