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That qb for Covington wasnt too bad of an athlete. I think he was only a sophomore last year
2025 WOAC Season
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WOACDADDY
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Middletown Madison
Bless Em All
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Milton is the same size as Preble Shawnee. The enrollment has tanked lately. One of our recent classes only had 57!
dograt
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In my mind Preble, Ansonia, and TV should love adding MU and Covington and going to 2 divisions (for football only. Stay one for everything else) They are getting nothing from some of the lopsided games they have. The same for Bradford, MissValley, and Dixie. The question becomes Arcanum, TCN, TVS, and Trail. They end up either being the weakest football school (very subjective here, but I think you get the argument) in the big division, or the top of the heap in a much weaker division. Is a division of TCN, TVS, Covington, Dixie, Bradford, and Mississinawa desirable for those schools or not? 2 crossovers would keep some better competition on the schedule, but you could give the weaker small division teams games against the weaker big division teams and stronger vs stronger if you wanted.
Every school votes for their own best interest. So look at these divisions, and tell me who is a "yes" vote and who is a "no" vote:
Preble-Arcanum-TriV-Ansonia-Trail-MU
TVS-TCN-Dixie-Bradford-MissValley-Covington
(MU and Covington not in bold because they don't get a vote)
I like the flexibility. If Covington returns to glory, you could trade them with someone (Trail?).
Add in the fact that going from one to three out-of-conference games gives teams flexibility to schedule harder or easier depending on where each program is.
My guess is the football schools vote 10-2 or 9-3 for expansion? No idea what FM and Newton would think.
Every school votes for their own best interest. So look at these divisions, and tell me who is a "yes" vote and who is a "no" vote:
Preble-Arcanum-TriV-Ansonia-Trail-MU
TVS-TCN-Dixie-Bradford-MissValley-Covington
(MU and Covington not in bold because they don't get a vote)
I like the flexibility. If Covington returns to glory, you could trade them with someone (Trail?).
Add in the fact that going from one to three out-of-conference games gives teams flexibility to schedule harder or easier depending on where each program is.
My guess is the football schools vote 10-2 or 9-3 for expansion? No idea what FM and Newton would think.
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Bless Em All
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Covington…?
PrairieDog
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What if you did:
Ansonia, Dixie, Miss. Valley, Tri Village, Trail, Preble Shawnee
Arcanum, Bradford, Covington, Milton, TCN, TVS
Your two or three crossover games could match up against teams that finished in similar division positions the year before. If you do two crossover games, the top two would play the top two from the other side, and so on. If you do three, the top three of each would play each other, and the bottom three of each would play each other.
BucksFan937
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I've heard that Covington has applied to join the WOAC, do we know if Milton Union has applied?
I think the proposed division break down could work but I personally want to keep TVS/NT together as that's 2 Preble County schools that play each other close every year. I would almost prefer a North/South split and then cross over games with similar competitive level teams.
South = TVS, TCN, Dixie, Trail, PS, Arcanum/TV
North = Ansonia, Arcanum/TV, Milton Union, Covington, Bradford, MV
Bless Em All
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MU has from what I’ve been told.
dograt
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I love your split. I'd put TV in the South and Arcanum in the North. splitting up the presumed 4 best programs? (subjective, I know)
sample schedule
week 1 - out of conference
week 2 - out of conference
week 3 - out of conference OR 3rd crossover
- Arcanum @ Preble
- Trail @ Ansonia
- MU @ Dixie
- TV @ Covington
- Bradford @ TVS
- TCN @ MV
week 4 - Preble @ MU
TV @ Ansonia
TVS @ Arcanum
Trail @ Covington
TCN @ Bradford
Dixie @ MV
week 5 - Ansonia @ Preble
MU @ TV
Arcanum @ Trail
Covington @ TCN
MV @ TVS
Bradford @ Dixie
week 6-10 division play
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BigArrrow
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I hope that if this does happen the Preble Co schools stay together I wouldn’t mind this setup you have but I’d miss not playing TV or Arcanum anymore.
Bless Em All
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I feel that Milton and Covington will add greatly to this conference. Shawnee and Dixie are familiar with Milton and there is history there with all considered. It would be a great move to see my Alma mater in this league. These communities are very similar to West Milton and Covington has history with most of these schools. Even Northridge could add in its own way. But that would not sit well with some communities, I’m sure. I hate to see a Shawnee fan not wanting MU competing with them again.
BigArrrow
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Not that I don’t think MU adds to the league because they definitely do, my question is how long do they stay, if the league would split North and South I’m not so much against it, with MU and Shawnee being able to play crossover games with them and Arcanum or TV not sure which one would go to the North side. I agree both communities from MU and Covington are great fits with the WOAC. Maybe it’s growing on me and will work.
BigArrrow
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I would also like to keep playing Ansonia
Bless Em All
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Milton made a decision to help create the TRC when travel in the SWBL got so bad and the move to bigger schools got serious. Milton would have rather stayed in the SWBL. They’ve tried the TRC model twice (SRC) and it’s failed. I don’t see them moving anytime soon. Our league affiliations have been SWBL-SRC-SWBL-TRC. I think the AD and Principal would poo-poo a quick move if they were added to the WOAC. Shawnee was accepted to the SWBL when Milton left. They were in the CCC-SWBL-WOAC and I believe one other. Their history is much shorter than Milton’s. MU, before consolidation in 1938, was West Milton High School and was a member of the SVL( Stillwater Valley League and Little Western Buckeye League) before becoming Milton-Union.
My take on the WOAC football if MU is added…
North:
Milton
TV
Arcanum
Ansonia
Shawnee
NTrail
Bradford
TCN
TVS
Dixie
Covington
Miss Valley
12 teams for football and 14 for other sports adding FM and Newton. FM and Newton are longtime partners with Milton and Covington. No need for Miss Valley and Bradford to play Milton in football unless they want to.
Could see Milton schedule like this…
Graham
Miami East
Oakwood
Covington
Tri County N
TVillage
Arcanum
Ansonia
Shawnee
Trail
That’s a great gate for everyone involved and competitive games.
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BucksFan937
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In the scenario we mentioned, it would be PS with the Preble County schools, Dixie and TV. Then you guys would play Arcanum/MU/Ansonia as cross over games. One downside would be that all the top schools would not be in the same division. I'm not sure if it would work, but it's fun to talk about. I do think Covington and MU could fit into the conference, I'm just not sure that the WOAC schools will want to change from what they have now, as I feel like it's been a good conference so far.
Bless Em All
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It could be MUCH better, though.
PrairieDog
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Could you set up the schedule so the top teams from each division play each other, the middle teams play each other, and the bottom teams play each other the following year? I could be wrong, but I thought the MAC did something similar in the past. It would allow the top teams to still play each other, and avoid blowout crossover games.
My sources are saying tht neither team have applied to the league yet. There was some weight to Covington inquiring when the Bethel stuff was happening, but I haven't heard much sense.
Preble Shawnee to Milton is 45 minutes, but it's 1:06 to Covington. Would they be happy with 2 northern additions?
Preble Shawnee to Milton is 45 minutes, but it's 1:06 to Covington. Would they be happy with 2 northern additions?
Every 2 years, the Mac standings dictate what team you don't play. The 1st ranked team over those two years won't play the last. The 2nd ranked the 2nd last.... and so on.
BigArrrow
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this is my problem with it because it’s two north schools. I’ve driven to Milton tons of times it’s really not that bad of a drive but Covington is a different story.
BigArrrow
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How you split the league is the only way I think it makes sense, preble co schools should stay together Dixie only makes sense with us also it’s between TV and Arcanum as the other school that goes South I’d hope it was TV but Arcanum might make more sense.
If you took size into account, I think this might work out better for a breakup (makes things more balanced too)
Preble Shawnee
Milton
National Trail
Dixie
TVS
TCN
Covington
MV
Bradford
Ansonia
Arcanum
TV
If you look geographically, MU, Arcanum, and TV are almost in a straight line. Arcanum is slightly further north than the other 2, but automatically putting Milton in the north doesn't have to happen. (IMO).
Preble Shawnee
Milton
National Trail
Dixie
TVS
TCN
Covington
MV
Bradford
Ansonia
Arcanum
TV
If you look geographically, MU, Arcanum, and TV are almost in a straight line. Arcanum is slightly further north than the other 2, but automatically putting Milton in the north doesn't have to happen. (IMO).
Arcanum might vote yes for this model, the other way I believe they are a strong no.
Husker1027
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This league doesn't need anymore teams. Covington wouldn't be a good addition on the boys side of sports, they are basically the TRC cellar dweller in the big 3 sports, and Milton would only bring a couple of decent sports. Covington thought they were too good for the CCC and Milton should have never left the SWBL. They're both stuck in that trash league now. WOAC>TRC...the folks who formed that league got it all wrong.
Baseballfan20
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Totally agree, Covington should of stayed with them from the jump but didnt take a good look at their own hallways before making the decision that they were better than the WOAC. Milton was seeing the writing on the wall of the Big/South SWBL. I get their jump really, this isnt their fault but its not the WOACs problem either.
Baseballfan20
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With these divisions this is just 1 game for the division championship and 4 running clocks............
We can name them the SWBL division as PS and MU will run the "south" and we can have the Darke County League as the TV vs Ansonia game will be it. Now the 4 bottom feeders of each division will have a great battle for 3-6.
Covington would be just fine in the WOAC. Sure they went winless this year in basketball in the TRC, but when they faced WOAC competition they went 4-1 if memory serves. But keep believing they would not be a winner in the WOAC if that makes you feel better.
Bless Em All
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I have it from solid source that Milton has.
The end of the day, Covington and Milton will bring more competitive teams across the board for this league. No it’s not the WOAC’s problem but the WOAC could benefit highly from the addition of the two.
Look at the last 10 years of these two schools and they are as good or better than any WOAC program. TriVillage, Ansonia, Shawnee and FM are the standouts.
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Husker1027
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They’d be bottom half. Just stating the facts.