2025 WOAC Season

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BigK72

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I didn't see a thread started about the WOAC for 2025.

Does Ansonia 3 peat? I don't think they've lost a Conference Game since week 5 2022. Currently on a 22 game WOAC winning streak. What about the rest of the league? Arcanum and National Trail showed some promise and took steps forward overall. South was tuff and gritty but lost a lot of what they were working with.

Dixie and Mississinawa are currently looking for new Head Coaches. I can't imagine either get a ton of attention, but who knows.
 
 
BigK72 said:
I didn't see a thread started about the WOAC for 2025.

Does Ansonia 3 peat? I don't think they've lost a Conference Game since week 5 2022. Currently on a 22 game WOAC winning streak. What about the rest of the league? Arcanum and National Trail showed some promise and took steps forward overall. South was tuff and gritty but lost a lot of what they were working with.

Dixie and Mississinawa are currently looking for new Head Coaches. I can't imagine either get a ton of attention, but who knows.
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I think it'll be the familiar names at the top. I'd say Ansonia is the favorite with TV and PS just behind them. TV returns all their skill guys including Sagaster at QB. PS lost some skill guys but still have Morton at QB and will have other guys that can step into roles. After that I'd say it'll be Arcanum followed by NT/TVS.
 
I'm not sure what Dixie and MV do. Those jobs are open every year or 2 and just seems like no one can make it work. Dixie was supposed to be better entering a new conference and I would say they have gotten worse...............
 
I tend to agree. I think PS is interesting because Morton will be a senior, but he's losing the older Blankenship and Smith. I know they had some younger talent, so we'll have to see how those kids step up.

Having Finkbine back for a whole season will be a huge boost for Tri-Village. I think offensively, they lose 2 WRs to graduation.

Ansonia is just next man up. Henderson was a senior, but I think the next 3 backs that carried for them all return.
 
Tier 1 - TV, Ansonia
From what I know, both bring back a decent amount. Title is Ansonia's until someone takes it.

Tier 2 - Shawnee, Arcanum, Trail
Shawnee loses a ton I know, lets see how they handle that. Arcanum showed promise in tight games with Ansonia and TV last year, while being young, they could bump into that 1st tier. Can Trail's coach take a leap in 25? We will see.

Tier 3 - South, North
Do not know a ton about these teams. South seemed to have a disappointing year last year.

Tier 4- Bradford, MV, Dixie
The bottom of the pack, don't see any of these 3 having a ton of success this year.
 
Seems like the schedules are changing this season. I didn't see everyone's but here is Tri-Village

Week 1 (H) Troy Christian
Week 2 (A) National Trail
Week 3 (H) Tri-County North
Week 4 (A) Twin Valley South
Week 5 (A) Ansonia
Week 6 (H) Mississinawa
Week 7 (A) Dixie
Week 8 (H) Bradford
Week 9 (A) Preble Shawnee
Week 10 (H) Arcanum
 
With all this conference shake up talk with the TRC, CBC and OHC. What are the thoughts on if Covington eventually tries to join the WOAC? I'm not sure that it will happen, but it seems like it would make sense. I'm just not sure that we would be looking to add another team, and they've already had their chance to join, and they declined it, so it might be tough luck for them.
 
I was thinking that as well. If the TRC would implode, Covington to the WOAC makes A TON of sense. However, they declined like you said once before. Also, that'd put the league at 11 football schools. That's not good. So, there'd have to be a 2nd team. Who would that be? From the TRC, there'd still be

Milton-Union
Troy Christian
Sidney Lehman
Riverside

Milton makes some sense geographically, but they'd be the biggest school. Who knows what they want... Back to the SWBL?
Troy Christian makes sense size and geography, but they're terrible in football. Other sports, they're decent to good. But, would the WOAC want a private school?
Sidney Lehman is similar to Troy Christian but better in football. But, they're significantly further north. Sidney to Preble Shawnee is well over an hour
Riverside makes sense size and competition wise, but it's 1:30 from Preble Shawnee to Riverside.

I know this is WOAC thread, but I wonder where those 4 would try to go if the TRC was done for. I don't know enough about the OHC/CBC to know if those are viable options.
 
BigK72 said:
I was thinking that as well. If the TRC would implode, Covington to the WOAC makes A TON of sense. However, they declined like you said once before. Also, that'd put the league at 11 football schools. That's not good. So, there'd have to be a 2nd team. Who would that be? From the TRC, there'd still be

Milton-Union
Troy Christian
Sidney Lehman
Riverside

Milton makes some sense geographically, but they'd be the biggest school. Who knows what they want... Back to the SWBL?
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I can't see all of the schools that killed the CCC so they could get rid of Miami East inviting in Milton-Union 5 years later.

FYI though, MU and East both have 4 more boys than Preble. So biggest is not that big.
 
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I can't see all of the schools that killed the CCC so they could get rid of Miami East inviting in Milton-Union 5 years later.
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Oh I agree 100%. With all the conference realignment talk from the TRC/OHC/CBC, I agree that Covington trying to go to the WOAC makes a ton of sense. However, there needs to be a 2nd team to get it to 12 football schools. There's no way the WOAC would welcome an 11 team league. And I agree of the remaining TRC schools, MU makes the least sense overall. But who else could go to the WOAC with them? Someone like Carlise or Madison from the SWBL?
 
Maybe they would get to 14 instead of 11. Take Covington, TC, Riverside and Lehman. Then split East and West to cut down on travel.
 
BigK72 said:
Oh I agree 100%. With all the conference realignment talk from the TRC/OHC/CBC, I agree that Covington trying to go to the WOAC makes a ton of sense. However, there needs to be a 2nd team to get it to 12 football schools. There's no way the WOAC would welcome an 11 team league. And I agree of the remaining TRC schools, MU makes the least sense overall. But who else could go to the WOAC with them? Someone like Carlise or Madison from the SWBL?
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I've heard that Madison is a school that has applied to be in the WOAC multiple times over the years, but they keep getting shot down. They could be an option if we do want to add 2 teams. However, I do think it's more likely we don't add anyone, it's just fun to think about. I can't see the private schools being added.
 
I can see the league wanting to add Covington but then not because they don't have a unanimous 2nd team to add with them.

PS, South, Dixie would all be in favor of a school like Madison. However, I could see MV, Ansonia, Bradford not liking the addition simply because of travel distance.
 
Saw where Dixie hired a head coach. Sean Schooley. Dixie post said he was the DC at Dayton Christian. No other info on him.
 
BucksFan937 said:
With all this conference shake up talk with the TRC, CBC and OHC. What are the thoughts on if Covington eventually tries to join the WOAC? I'm not sure that it will happen, but it seems like it would make sense. I'm just not sure that we would be looking to add another team, and they've already had their chance to join, and they declined it, so it might be tough luck for them.
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Apparently there have been individuals on the board and in the community that have told Covington's superintendent (who is very unpopular) he should look into joining the WOAC because "they would win more games." From what I'm hearing, most of these people do not have an athletic background (at least a successful one), but the superintendent is afraid of upsetting people since he almost didn't get his contract renewed. I guess if you want a mid-week show you should go to Covington or Tipp's school board meetings. It's a far cry from the Covington we used to see in the days of the CCC.
 
BigK72 said:
I was thinking that as well. If the TRC would implode, Covington to the WOAC makes A TON of sense. However, they declined like you said once before. Also, that'd put the league at 11 football schools. That's not good. So, there'd have to be a 2nd team. Who would that be? From the TRC, there'd still be

Milton-Union
Troy Christian
Sidney Lehman
Riverside

Milton makes some sense geographically, but they'd be the biggest school. Who knows what they want... Back to the SWBL?
Troy Christian makes sense size and geography, but they're terrible in football. Other sports, they're decent to good. But, would the WOAC want a private school?
Sidney Lehman is similar to Troy Christian but better in football. But, they're significantly further north. Sidney to Preble Shawnee is well over an hour
Riverside makes sense size and competition wise, but it's 1:30 from Preble Shawnee to Riverside.

I know this is WOAC thread, but I wonder where those 4 would try to go if the TRC was done for. I don't know enough about the OHC/CBC to know if those are viable options.
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TC could potentially be much better playing a WOAC schedule. If you look back to 2016 when they filled in for Bradford being out they only lost one game to CCC competition finishing 9-1 on the year. The TRC is just a bit too large for them. They likely finish mid to upper in the WOAC.
 
D4fan said:
TC could potentially be much better playing a WOAC schedule. If you look back to 2016 when they filled in for Bradford being out they only lost one game to CCC competition finishing 9-1 on the year. The TRC is just a bit too large for them. They likely finish mid to upper in the WOAC.
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TC wins maybe 1 game in the WOAC last year.
 
Most of the TRC schools would be a decent fit. If Milton-Union or Miami East joined, they'd be the biggest school in the WOAC...by 4 boys. MU and East both had 162 boys last year. Preble was at 158 and Arcanum was 148.

The fact that the CCC kicked out East and invited Preble has never made any sense to me. And Shawnee has been much better than East these last 4 years!
Are Shawnee, Ansonia, and Tri-Village really happy with the schedule they have? Looking at their scores against the rest of the league...wow. The league could definitely have 2 divisions for football.

The WOAC could bring in all 4 Miami County schools (Covington, MU, East, and TC). Have two 7-team divisions for football and two 8-team divisions for basketball.

I understand that there is zero chance of this happening, but:
PS
MU
ME
Tri-V
Arcanum
Covington
Ansonia

is a hell of a football division!

That would leave:
TCN
TVS
TC
Dixie
Trail
MV
Bradford
as the smaller division. Not strong, but are those kids getting much from the games currently against Ansonia, Shawnee, and Tri-Village?

Then there is fluidity. So for example, if you want to swap Covington or Arcanum for Trail or TCN, you have that option. Schools aren't stuck if they get better or have a rough patch.
 
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D4fan said:
TC could potentially be much better playing a WOAC schedule. If you look back to 2016 when they filled in for Bradford being out they only lost one game to CCC competition finishing 9-1 on the year. The TRC is just a bit too large for them. They likely finish mid to upper in the WOAC.
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The TC teams from then aren't the same as the ones now. I know they do well in basketball and wrestling, but something has happened to the football program... ever since Jones left.
 
formercardinal said:
I'm not sure what Dixie and MV do. Those jobs are open every year or 2 and just seems like no one can make it work. Dixie was supposed to be better entering a new conference and I would say they have gotten worse...............
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Dixie is now a soccer school. Their best athletes, including some of the bigger athletes, play boys soccer. The community has backed it as well. They have their cheerleaders at games, have had success, etc. I don't think their football program really has a chance now due to that.
 
On the realignment topic, I think the SWBL brought on Dayton Christian specifically to appease Carlisle and Madison. Now that they've done that, I would expect Madison to be more content with the SWBL, but that's completely an assumption.

Covington and Miami East fit the league previously but essentially there was issue with travel and competitiveness. Now, both programs have come back to the pack on the competitive aspect, but the travel remains the same. I see no way MU joins the WOAC. Travel is similar to Covington and ME, and when it comes to football, generally MU is going to be a real difficult team to play year in and year out. On down years MU is probably still a Top 3 team in the league. MU has a tendency to cycle through a very good team every five years or so. Those good Bulldog teams would be a real bear for the WOAC.

Just my two cents.
 
PrairieDog said:
Apparently there have been individuals on the board and in the community that have told Covington's superintendent (who is very unpopular) he should look into joining the WOAC because "they would win more games." From what I'm hearing, most of these people do not have an athletic background (at least a successful one), but the superintendent is afraid of upsetting people since he almost didn't get his contract renewed. I guess if you want a mid-week show you should go to Covington or Tipp's school board meetings. It's a far cry from the Covington we used to see in the days of the CCC.
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From what I've heard, Covington had its chance to join the WOAC, and they declined. I don't think they would get voted in now. I think the league holds tight as is as it's been a good first 4 years for the conference. I think it'll be tough adding new schools because the northern schools might be OK with adding a Covington, where the southern schools would not be as open to that. When it's vice versa when you talk about a school like Madison.
 
BucksFan937 said:
From what I've heard, Covington had its chance to join the WOAC, and they declined. I don't think they would get voted in now. I think the league holds tight as is as it's been a good first 4 years for the conference. I think it'll be tough adding new schools because the northern schools might be OK with adding a Covington, where the southern schools would not be as open to that. When it's vice versa when you talk about a school like Madison.
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Even moreso, IF Covington would be invited, there'd still need to be a 2nd team to join with them. Having 11 football schools isn't going to happen. So, then who becomes the 12th team? It'd have to be a team south of I70 to keep the Preble County schools+Dixie happy. Which circles us back to Madison/Carlisle unless there's someone else that I'm not thinking of to fit that mold. That would prove a clean division split North/South of 70 (TCN being in the South with the rest of Preble County, Dixie, and whoever else)

The sad thing is that year in and year out MV and Bradford have number issues at some point. Heck, due to injury TVS wasn't too far off this year either. Hopefully it doesn't happen, but what does the league do IF Bradford isn't able to field a team again like they couldn't in 2022?
 
BigK72 said:
The TC teams from then aren't the same as the ones now. I know they do well in basketball and wrestling, but something has happened to the football program... ever since Jones left.
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They have essentially the same players, just different coaching. If they had a known commodity as coach, they would get the kids out for football. On the timeline, 2013 TC had no football. 2014 they got Troy's Coach Nolan as an unbelievable find, 18 kids sign up for football in the high school and Nolan leads them to not only the playoffs, but a first round win. 2015 they had a significant amount of injuries and finished around .500, Nolan decides he has had enough and turns the program over to Jones. 2016 they go 6-1 through the cup cake conference, but lose the first round playoff game. Jones decides he has seen enough, and the program is placed in decent hands for a couple years. Then, a really bad choice or two ends the flow of players to the program. So those kids are still in the hallways, just not on the field.

There were several kids who upon hearing they were going to play essentially a CCC schedule figured they may as well play with the chance to win. As an independent, you tend to have very few competitive games, you either win or lose big. I could be wrong, but if you look back at my posts from the first year it was announced TC would be playing in the TRC, I personally heard kids say they were not going to play in that tough of a conference. Back in 2016 Mississinawa, Ansonia, Miami East, Twin Valley South and Bradford were all very lopsided games. Only Arcanum (narrow win) and Covington (narrow loss) were competitive.
 
Just saw today where North is now open. Coach was only there for a year, but I didn’t think he’d be there for a super long time. They’re also looking for an AD
 
That is tough about North losing their coach. It is hard on a program when there isn't continuity at the top.
 
I believe if Riverside bolts the TRC is done. Milton, Miami East and Northridge would be great additions to the WOAC. Covington would as well. Everyone being scared of Northridge just needs to wait a year and talent will cycle out. They’ve beaten Milton once in 50 years. Basketball, they would be a great addition.
I think the TRC was doomed to begin with. It was in response to the break up of the CCC and Milton jumped too quick. I would personally like to see MU in the WOAC. We’re not that much larger than these schools…Arcanum, TV, Ansonia, etc are very close.
I like what dograt proposed. Big and small divisions.
 
>> I like what dograt proposed. Big and small divisions.

That would make the most sense. Bradford and MV struggle enough as is with the current competion. But doing what the SWBL did with a small and big division with the opportunity for cross over games would work. It would help football at Covington and TC to have other similar sized schools to play against. I think there are some kids reluctant to play against the bigger schools.
 
tvsfan said:
That is tough about North losing their coach. It is hard on a program when there isn't continuity at the top.
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Right, and I don't know how attractive this job is (or if it's even attractive at all). So, who are they going to get?
 
Covington will be pretty good this upcoming year. They were more competitive last year and it’sa matter of time. East is going to be tough and so is Northridge. Milton is always good. The GWOC would have a great conference that would better compete on the state level.
 
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