footballsalads43
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There would be lots of bad football, but competitively that’s a match made in Heaven group of 8
2025 CHL football preview/discussion thread!
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footballsalads43
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IMO, I believe if the CHL removes Reading, Deer Park, and Finneytown and brings in CHCA, CCD and Summit, that would be a pretty great group of 8 schools.
I believe the Three Rivers Conference has a mix of public and private in the Dayton area. If the existing CHL schools approve SCD and CCD being in, then I don't think public/private matters for the conference.
Believe the question had more to do with the perception that the CHL schools are against adding private schools
CHCA-Eagles-Fan
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To me, the best option is probably a “trade” of sorts with the Country Days and CHCA for FT, DP, and Reading, but there are two issues:
1. Private Schools in the CHL
Will the CHL take private schools? It may be a bridge to big to cross for the current public schools,
2. Private Schools left in the MVC
If this “trade” were to happen, I think Seven Hills, Purcell Marian, and especially Roger Bacon would be greatly unhappy. For the Catholic schools, the conference they joined only a few years ago is now way weaker than advertised.
I’d love for it to happen, but these issues need to be solved first. Also, if adding McNick is a possibility due to their location/travel issues, I think the CHL should jump at it.
1. Private Schools in the CHL
Will the CHL take private schools? It may be a bridge to big to cross for the current public schools,
2. Private Schools left in the MVC
If this “trade” were to happen, I think Seven Hills, Purcell Marian, and especially Roger Bacon would be greatly unhappy. For the Catholic schools, the conference they joined only a few years ago is now way weaker than advertised.
I’d love for it to happen, but these issues need to be solved first. Also, if adding McNick is a possibility due to their location/travel issues, I think the CHL should jump at it.
footballsalads43
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Just bring them along. Do a two division CHL. Deer Park and Finneytown to the MVC. I’m not sure if Reading would want to go to the MVC. I actually kind of think they would be a solid option for the SBAAC National with Williamsburg, Bethel-Tate, CNE and etc.
But a CHL divided something like
Big:
Taylor
Indian Hill
Wyoming
McNick
CHCA
Roger Bacon
Small:
Purcell Marian
Summit
CCD
Maderia
Mariemont
MVCA
Split Seven Hills and Cincinnati Christian into whatever divisions
Irwin20
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Roger Bacon and Purcell Marian are private Catholics. They play in a mostly public conference (MVC?)
Irwin20
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Does the CHL want a D3 McNick in a mainly D4 conference?
footballsalads43
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Looking at the boys enrollment from the split I made
McNick- 281
Indian Hill- 256
Taylor- 241
Wyoming- 236
Roger Bacon- 196
CHCA- 178
Seems pretty fair to me. IH, Taylor and Wyoming are all relatively close to that D3/D4 border.
MVCA??
footballsalads43
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Byron Hadley
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CHL will never take a private school.
Summit has tried, CHL laughed them out of the building. It's a neighborhood conference(DP Elite, notwithstanding)
Summit has tried, CHL laughed them out of the building. It's a neighborhood conference(DP Elite, notwithstanding)
So if DP, FT and Reading do leave, would the CHL start stay at 5 teams?
footballsalads43
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I would think not, their only expansion options are private schools. Unless Walnut Hills splits into two high schools… that would be a good CHL fit then
Byron Hadley
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I've mentioned before on another thread who the replacements would be, and they are ready to come SHOULD DP & FT leave. Reading not going anywhere.
footballsalads43
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Only publics I can think of that would make sense is some of the SBAAC schools, but I am not sure if they would be interested in the CHL and vice-versa. Unless I am missing someone totally obvious
The CHL has always been anti private so not sure what route Wyoming and Indian Hill would go since it seems as those two drive the decisions within the conference.
Batavia was the initial 'Want" but after discussion, it became clear that you'd be inviting a team in who fit the profile now, but in 10-12 years, might be close to flirting w/ D1. The land area is HUGE, they are building a dog food factory that's the size of a small city. They looked at Western Brown too but you get weeknight sports (volleyball, basketball, etc.) and the idea that kids are getting home at 10:30/11:00pm doesn't appeal to many schools. Norwood was also an option but you basically trade Deer Park for a larger version of Deer Park.
Summit wants in - it's just up to the CHL to change their policy (even if it's unwritten). If they get in, then CCD is willing to come too just cause those two have always been tied together as a Day School. CHCA is in a different spot now than 10-15 years ago when Eric was recruiting and they were a small school all star team. No one wanted them then cause the fear was, they'll come in, beat you, then you'll lose kids cause the kids in Madeira, IH, and Wyoming are the ones who could afford it.
RickyBobby45
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CHCA/Summit/CCD make a ton more sense than the current bottom of the league. One of the reasons that the CHL loses all the top players to St X and Moeller is because the quality of competition is so poor.
I don’t think CCD fits any longer. They only have 258 in their high school, so around 125 boys. They’ve had a couple of athletic classes, but they’re going to struggle over the next few years. I would be surprised if they break 500 in basketball next season in the MVC. Summit is at a different spot. Their trajectory is going the other direction. Doesn’t hurt that it’s pretty much known that they recruit and give scholarships to athletes. In fact, I was at a game this year and a couple men were behind me was talking and they said I don’t even know some of these new recruits we have.
You're looking only from the perspective of two sports. CCD offers golf, tennis, lacrosse, swimming/diving....all the sports that DP and Finneytown do not. Their boys & girls soccer teams are also competitive - outside of an occasional year every so often, DP and Finneytown are not. They will be at or near the bottom most years for football but they will compete just fine in all the other sports.
CHCA-Eagles-Fan
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I agree a great deal on CCD. Would be a good all-around addition. Solid in all sports and fantastic location-wise. I’m worried what happens to some of their programs now that the Zimmermans have graduated and the fact that they no longer have boys lax, but I’m sure they’ll rebound.
As for CHCA, obviously I’m biased, but I think the school’s athletics are really solid all around. Football is back to its winning ways, basketball is as good as ever, and they’ve had state level lax, baseball, and tennis teams in recent years. If the CHL wants private schools, CCD and CHCA are no brainers.
Are CHL schools open enrollment? I can understand the CHL wanting to keep out the private schools if they're not. 256 boys from the Village of Indian Hill is very different than the 281 boys McNick can pull from all over Cincinnati. I know these private schools aren't reaching as far and wide as Moeller, but private schools definitely cast a wider, more selective net than public schools with a limited attendance zone.
Only 2 of the 8 schools are open enrollment - Taylor and Reading.
footballsalads43
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Taylor probably has the ability to maybe pull some athletes and talent from Oak Hills and maybe Harrison. Outside of that not sure if they get much interest in Open enrollment. I don’t think many people are lining outside of Readings door trying to open enroll.
Great point. The SBAAC seems to have a good collection of well matched schools that would make it difficult for the CHL to lure someone out .
Would there be any interest in absorbing some or all of the SWOC schools and creating a big school/small school split? Indian Hill played Harrison and Northwest; Taylor played Talawanda this past football season. So there is some familiarity there. There are obvious enrollment size differences. It would also be replacing FT and DP with similar schools in MH and Northwest. Every school will have pro's and con's.
It appears that if the CHL wants to add similar sized public schools, they're going to add some significant mileage to away games. It'll be interesting to see if they're willing to drive for an all public school league.
93 red ls
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As an active member of the Taylor Athletic boosters i wanted to post in here.
We are holding our 1st annual Taylor sports card Show July 26th at Taylor High School! from 9am-3pm
Tables will be available for $20 ea or 2 for $30
The event will be sponsored by RS Sports Cards located in L'burg IN.
We have lots of cool things in the works and as more information becomes available i will post!
We are holding our 1st annual Taylor sports card Show July 26th at Taylor High School! from 9am-3pm
Tables will be available for $20 ea or 2 for $30
The event will be sponsored by RS Sports Cards located in L'burg IN.
We have lots of cool things in the works and as more information becomes available i will post!
This is the ultimate takeaway from all conversations up to this point.
Mount Healthy and Northwest would be competitive in football and basketball but add negative value in every other sport.
The SBAAC schools aren't the best geographic fit and don't offer any value in the country club sports.
The MVC private schools check all the boxes from a competitive standpoint but would create a public/private dynamic within the league that not all current schools may be on board with.
Staying at 6 schools (after FT and DP inevitably leave) could create some form of a scheduling burden in certain sports and may hurt prestige/reputation.
You’re wrong on Reading. Surrounding districts like Lockland, Deer Park and Cincy public all lose kids to Reading.
footballsalads43
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The SBAAC houses a bunch of schools and communities that are very similar and alike in many ways, and I think breaking them up and/or pulling teams from those communities would be very hard. Also culturally those schools don’t fit the CHL build either like @Chop Stix mentioned, they aren’t very good at those country club sports that the CHL thrives in.
I think absorbing the 3 remaining SWOC schools (Harrison, MH and NW, Talawanda squeezed into the SWBL with Ross and Edgewood) could be a potential option, but you’d have to find a 12th school to join. But shoving Wyoming, IH and Taylor into a division with those 3 for football and basketball wouldnt be a horrible idea. However, for the sports like tennis, baseball, lacrosse, volleyball and so on, that won’t work.. MH and NW are either horrible or don’t even field teams in those sports. It would have to be a case of changing teams and divisions on a sport by sport basis, which can get messy.