2024 Steubenville Big Red

war_admiral said:
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2024 Snapshot: McNicholas

The cards may be stacked against them but If you are looking for a dark horse team to win a regional championship keep one eye on McNicholas. The Rockets will be challenged from the get-go with the…
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This is a good synopsis let me add a few things. The rising Sophomore class has a half dozen kids or more that will contribute. They went 10-0 as Frosh including wins over 4 D1 teams (St X included). There were 45 kids on this Freshmen team. (McNick doesn’t dress Freshmen). They also added Junior twins from St.X that according to X posters were competing for starting positions there (don’t know the story of why they transferred). I would expect McNick to give Big Red a game but I know it’s a difficult venue. Looking forward to the opener. If nothing else McNick will be tested to compete in the remaining 9 games and playoffs. Wishing Big Red a successful season.
 
I feel both teams a will be trying to establish their identity early on in the scrimmages. We had 33 frosh play a 7 game season (rollredroll.com) finishing 7-0. We will have a strong sophomore class as well, many will contribute. We had a 2 year starting QB transfer back to us from Wheeling Park. Our main areas to fill will be the WR,TE, one DE positions.

Mike O will have he Rockets ready. I agree this will be a good test that will guide both teams into the playoffs.

RRR
 
war_admiral said:
I feel both teams a will be trying to establish their identity early on in the scrimmages. We had 33 frosh play a 7 game season (rollredroll.com) finishing 7-0. We will have a strong sophomore class as well, many will contribute. We had a 2 year starting QB transfer back to us from Wheeling Park. Our main areas to fill will be the WR,TE, one DE positions.

Mike O will have he Rockets ready. I agree this will be a good test that will guide both teams into the playoffs.

RRR
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I hope a few returning big contributors who had offseason medical procedures are at 100% to start the season.
 
kmac57 said:
If they can play clean. Reno should have at least gotten a suspension for last year's dismal dsplay of sportmanship. It will be a great game. Go Rockets
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If he didn't get suspended for the 2012 scandal 22 flags and 6 un-unsportsman like penalties in a game won't get him a suspension!
 
Mr.wrsln2 said:
As long as they are bullying hand picked scheduled teams...them last 3 games last year should leave no one thinking they make a run at D3
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Not to mention their 80 playoff wins, 20 of which were regional championship wins. I'm not sure how the state continues to allow them to handpick their playoff opponents. You really should investigate. I believe if you can get to the bottom of things, people will start to take you seriously.
 
Mr.wrsln2 said:
As long as they are bullying hand picked scheduled teams...them last 3 games last year should leave no one thinking they make a run at D3
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That's my biggest gripe with steubenville is they handpick terrible opponents and it's actually sad because they have a great program. I used to love going down to play them they have one of the top atmospheres in the state of Ohio but to call yourself one of the best when you play a bunch of West Virginia schools when there is a lot of good talent in the state it's kind of crazy to me. I don't care what nobody says and I'm not trying to turn this into a Massillon versus steubenville thread but there is no reason in God's green earth that them two should not be doing a home and home every single year both fan bases are crazy and the atmosphere at both stadiums are electric there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be seeing great games like that throughout the season.
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
That's my biggest gripe with Steubenville is they handpick terrible opponents and it's actually sad because they have a great program. I used to love going down to play them they have one of the top atmospheres in the state of Ohio but to call yourself one of the best when you play a bunch of West Virginia schools when there is a lot of good talent in the state it's kind of crazy to me. I don't care what nobody says and I'm not trying to turn this into a Massillon versus Steubenville thread but there is no reason in God's green earth that them two should not be doing a home and home every single year both fan bases are crazy and the atmosphere at both stadiums are electric there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be seeing great games like that throughout the season.
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Stop. Which "bunch" of West Virginia schools are they playing? Wheeling Park, a D1 West Virginia school, who is a conference rival in all sports. Linsly, a prep school, also a conference all-sports rival. *Linsly has played Desales, Dover, New Phila, Fort Frye, Holy Name, Licking Valley, Mooney, Richmond Hts, and St. Clairsville in football over the past couple seasons.

You're bashing Big Red's D4 schedule while having Wooster, Euclid, Canisius, Glen Oak, and Reynoldsburg on your D2 schedule a year or two ago. And I get it that you can't play 10 straight powerhouses; I just wish others understood that before throwing rocks.

Steubenville is clearly a better game than a school from Delaware, or Euclid, but it is a bad game for Big Red. As I stated before, Steubenville is the only D4 public school and one of only 2 D3 public schools to beat Massillon in over 20 years. Maybe some other small public school should test them other than us.



*Morgantown (Biggest school in WV) 5-0, Brooke (5miles away) 10-0, Wheeling CC (12 WV State Titles) 1-0 are the only other WV schools they've played in the last 20 years. 16 games against Conference opponents.
 
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Rack162 said:
Stop. Which "bunch" of West Virginia schools are they playing? Wheeling Park, a D1 West Virginia school, who is a conference rival in all sports. Linsly, a prep school, also a conference all-sports rival. *Linsly has played Desales, Dover, New Phila, Fort Frye, Holy Name, Licking Valley, Mooney, Richmond Hts, and St. Clairsville in football over the past couple seasons.

You're bashing Big Red's D4 schedule while having Wooster, Euclid, Canisius, Glen Oak, and Reynoldsburg on your D2 schedule a year or two ago. And I get it that you can't play 10 straight powerhouses; I just wish others understood that before throwing rocks.

Steubenville is clearly a better game than a school from Delaware, or Euclid, but it is a bad game for Big Red. As I stated before, Steubenville is the only D4 public school and one of only 2 D3 public schools to beat Massillon in over 20 years. Maybe some other small public school should test them other than us.



*Morgantown (Biggest school in WV) 5-0, Brooke (5miles away) 10-0, Wheeling CC (12 WV State Titles) 1-0 are the only other WV schools they've played in the last 20 years. 16 games against Conference opponents.
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Well let's see Euclid is division one, canisius I believe is the equivalent of division 1 in New York and actually beat us in 2017, reynoldsburg is division one one year deal. I don't know if you know this but Glenoak and Massillon was once considered a better rivalry then Canton McKinley we started playing Glenoak in 2009 and is the only other Stark county School besides McKinley that we have had a consistent series with. I don't care about the state of West Virginia in my personal opinion they're high school football is crap I'm taking Ohio any day of the week I love Ohio high School football I love what steubenville do but they should be ashamed of themselves because they do not play top competition in the state there's matchups I know a lot of people especially fans would love to see but when you look at steubenville schedule and all you see is West Virginia schools that most people never heard of who of course big red is going to blow out yeah a lot of people is going to have a problem with that. I've heard from a lot of old timers that Massillon and Steubenville was a big game back in the day and if I'm not mistaken I think they were a part of the old AAC conference I don't care what you say that game should always be played it's a game that benefits both communities can't nobody in the state deny what steubenville has done on the football field so of course I feel like they should be playing top teams in the state year in a year out whether you like that statement or not is true and steubenville is in the top five of most winningest programs in the state so of course a lot of other teams ain't going to step up because they're not steubenville they don't have the tradition that you guys have.
 
Rack162 said:
Stop. Which "bunch" of West Virginia schools are they playing? Wheeling Park, a D1 West Virginia school, who is a conference rival in all sports. Linsly, a prep school, also a conference all-sports rival. *Linsly has played Desales, Dover, New Phila, Fort Frye, Holy Name, Licking Valley, Mooney, Richmond Hts, and St. Clairsville in football over the past couple seasons.

You're bashing Big Red's D4 schedule while having Wooster, Euclid, Canisius, Glen Oak, and Reynoldsburg on your D2 schedule a year or two ago. And I get it that you can't play 10 straight powerhouses; I just wish others understood that before throwing rocks.

Steubenville is clearly a better game than a school from Delaware, or Euclid, but it is a bad game for Big Red. As I stated before, Steubenville is the only D4 public school and one of only 2 D3 public schools to beat Massillon in over 20 years. Maybe some other small public school should test them other than us.



*Morgantown (Biggest school in WV) 5-0, Brooke (5miles away) 10-0, Wheeling CC (12 WV State Titles) 1-0 are the only other WV schools they've played in the last 20 years. 16 games against Conference opponents.
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Oh yeah that team from Delaware had a bunch of D1 recruits on their team both years and they also were the Delaware state champion I believe they are equivalent to division 2.... And I like how you just solely focus on a couple one year deals that we had on our schedule and you don't talk about us playing Cincinnati Moller ,Pick Central ,St Ed's ,St Ignatius,East St Louis,Bergan Catholic and Valdosta just to name a few.... Oh an BTW Massillon and steubenville played each other in 2015 so what you're saying is it was only a good game for you guys because we wasn't good but when we got good it's not a good game for you guys all of a sudden and now you're scared to play us when we are good? Gotcha
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
Oh yeah that team from Delaware had a bunch of D1 recruits on their team both years and they also were the Delaware state champion I believe they are equivalent to division 2.... And I like how you just solely focus on a couple one year deals that we had on our schedule and you don't talk about us playing Cincinnati Moller ,Pick Central ,St Ed's ,St Ignatius,East St Louis,Bergan Catholic and Valdosta just to name a few.... Oh an BTW Massillon and THE Big Red of Steubenville played each other in 2015 so what you're saying is it was only a good game for you guys because we wasn't good but when we got good it's not a good game for you guys all of a sudden and now you're scared to play us when we are good? Gotcha
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My point was that you have no idea what you're talking about when you say they play a "bunch" of West Virginia teams. They play two.

These are the only high schools in Ohio located within 30 miles of Steubenville. Harrison Central D6, Edison D6, Martins Ferry D6, Indian Creek D3, Wellsville D7, Toronto D7, Buckeye Local D4, and Steubenville CC D7.

It's insane to me that you're attempting to defend EUCLID as a good game for Massillon; I'd never say Allderdice, a much larger school than Steubenville, is a good game. Also, my point about Delaware was that having a big Ohio game is far better. We've played Salesianum several times; they're Middletown's rival. But clearly, us playing Marion Local would be a much better game.

Big Red played Massillon 7X, went 3-4, and maybe two of the games were good. Following our last meeting, we went to three consecutive state championships. It was a fun series, but pretending that it's a smart idea for D4 Steubenville, which plays around 30 kids during a 16-week season, should play against Ohio's current #1 program every year is ridiculous.

I plainly stated that you cannot play ten powerhouses in a season, meaning I understand Massillon's scheduling, so I'm not sure why you're taking offense to me naming some bad games on your schedule after YOU TRASHED our D4 schedule. But yeah, call Mooney, Ursuline, Desales, Dover, Fitch, New Phila, ASVSM, Penn Hills, DC St, Johns, Woodland Hills, McNich, McDowell, Inkster, Glen Este, St. Joes (NJ), Athens (Joe Burrow), Watterson, Buchtel, Rock Creek, Olentangy Liberty, DC Carroll, The Hun School, Barberton, Clinton Massie and Massillon etc. a "bunch of WV schools. Gotcha.
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
That's my biggest gripe with steubenville is they handpick terrible opponents and it's actually sad because they have a great program. I used to love going down to play them they have one of the top atmospheres in the state of Ohio but to call yourself one of the best when you play a bunch of West Virginia schools when there is a lot of good talent in the state it's kind of crazy to me. I don't care what nobody says and I'm not trying to turn this into a Massillon versus steubenville thread but there is no reason in God's green earth that them two should not be doing a home and home every single year both fan bases are crazy and the atmosphere at both stadiums are electric there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be seeing great games like that throughout the season.
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Reno is very careful with that scheduling lol
 
I always laugh at posters claiming BR region is tough until they win it. Then It becomes a “terrible region” Thanksgiving practice week.

Getting around the state and seeing plenty of teams the only thing playing in a league is about is lazy scheduling. The ADs don’t have to do much and the perennial teams guarantee themselves 7+ wins. No different than what BR does independently.

As for WV football. It stinks no way around it. Park has 600 boys in the school and the team struggles to get 50 to play year in and year out. Haven’t won a playoff game in about a decade.
 
Rack162 said:
Not to mention their 80 playoff wins, 20 of which were regional championship wins. I'm not sure how the state continues to allow them to handpick their playoff opponents. You really should investigate. I believe if you can get to the bottom of things, people will start to take you seriously.
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I never said handpicked playoff teams...just the last 3 playoff games were not great performance's.
 
Big Red is not playing Massillon. Massillon is not playing Steubenville. Good luck with your schedule this year. We will try to grapple with ours.

Best of luck to the Tigers!!
Roll Red Roll!!!
 
Big Red is a great rival and we were fairly even for awhile or maybe 60/40 but Massillon has become too good in recent years. From about 5 years ago to next 5 would probably be more like a 80/20 rivalry. I would love it (obviously) but I can understand why Reno wouldn't. Makes me appreciate Warren Harding for sticking by us, but they are in same division so they know they have to meet that bar to get where they want. Steubenville does not. I personally like both teams and want them to win after us. Go Publics.
 
TigerPaw said:
Big Red is a great rival and we were fairly even for awhile or maybe 60/40 but Massillon has become too good in recent years. From about 5 years ago to next 5 would probably be more like a 80/20 rivalry. I would love it (obviously) but I can understand why Reno wouldn't. Makes me appreciate Warren Harding for sticking by us, but they are in same division so they know they have to meet that bar to get where they want. Steubenville does not. I personally like both teams and want them to win after us. Go Publics.
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I have nothing but respect for the Massillon football program, and I always root for them over private schools. But we're not rivals.

It's not a rivalry at all (my grandfather's words, not mine): Massillon is 41-6 overall, 37-3 after the original series ended in the 1970s. I mean no disrespect towards any past players who are no longer with us or to my grandfather and his teammates. But Massillon-Big Red was the worst rivalry of all time. Sure the 2009 renewal was fun but only a couple of the games were good.

My only issue with Massillon fans is that they continue to claim that Big Red was scared, and that Coach Sac somehow knew Massillon was about to turn the corner after that dreadful 2015 game. That is why he chose to safeguard his future back-to-back-to-back state champion and runner-up teams by leaving the series and "handpicking" a weak 2016 D4 schedule that featured 10-win D1 Jackson-Reed (DC), ASVSM, Ursuline, Dover, Boardman, St. Clairsville, West Holmes, and 0 West Virginia teams. 🤷‍♂️

Anyway, I completely understand why Nate wants us on his schedule. Good luck against Hoban. TIG!
 
Fair enough but as far as rivalries go, I would only say we were definitely 2 of the Top programs in Ohio, 1st and 3rd most all-time wins, were in the same league together, and both fanbases packed the seats like no other. The W / L may be lopsided but it was always intense, and hs football at it's best. I would rank Big Red behind only Mckinley and WGH in that dept. Those were lopsided too in the 40s thru 60's. That was a looong time ago and younger folks won't comprehend how dominant Massillon was during that period, they did that to everyone.
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
That's my biggest gripe with steubenville is they handpick terrible opponents and it's actually sad because they have a great program. I used to love going down to play them they have one of the top atmospheres in the state of Ohio but to call yourself one of the best when you play a bunch of West Virginia schools when there is a lot of good talent in the state it's kind of crazy to me. I don't care what nobody says and I'm not trying to turn this into a Massillon versus steubenville thread but there is no reason in God's green earth that them two should not be doing a home and home every single year both fan bases are crazy and the atmosphere at both stadiums are electric there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be seeing great games like that throughout the season.
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Terrible opponents? Anything to begrudge the Big Red. Oh well, you’re entitled to your opinion, which doesn’t really mean anything to Big Red fans or most importantly the program. Being humble must not e in your make up.
 
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Crimson and Black said:
Terrible opponents? Anything to begrudge the Big Red. Oh well, you’re entitled to your opinion, which doesn’t really mean anything to Big Red fans or most importantly the program. Being humble must not e in your make up.
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Crimson and Black said:
Terrible opponents? Anything to begrudge the Big Red. Oh well, you’re entitled to your opinion, which doesn’t really mean anything to Big Red fans or most importantly the program. Being humble must not e in your make up.
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We hear how Big Red is one of the biggest names in hs football..wins..coach..playoffs..stadium..history..well your d3 Massillon is d2..so step up or take a back seat in ohio football
 
Rack162 said:
Man, you just keep sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss. It's unfortunate to see you like this. 🙏
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Just never thought in my life time the"blue collar..lunch bucket"town of steubenville would just concede so easily.It is Steubenville Big Red football after all.Fear no one!!
 
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