2024 Massillon Tigers

I truly don't see what the big deal is about playing an out-of-state opponent we've been doing it for years so I don't understand what the big deal is what honestly do you gain playing a mediocre Ohio team? Now I agree that playing Jackson what generate a big gate because you don't normally see that matchup it's two Stark county teams that have a history so I understand playing them but outside of that I'd rather challenge myself playing the best out of state team because you still get computer points from them. The same guy that interviewed Coach Moore a few weeks ago interviewed the coach from Toledo Central Catholic and he explained when they play in their Detroit League they still get points to make the playoffs in Ohio. It creates buzz around the state the kids are excited about playing a top matchup so I don't understand why we have a problem with it as fans makes absolutely zero sense to me.
 
Massillon#82 said:
Since when do we HAVE to play a home game week 1 ?
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Didn't say we did.

Massillon#82 said:
IF the week 1 game is a fact you do understand it’s a classic that has a sponsor and we would have been invited to play in it.
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So what? That invitation is for their benefit, not ours.

Massillon#82 said:
Funny thing is there is a chance we will be playing a different team from GA this year at PBTS. Again more for you to btch about.
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Great. Another chance for people to stay home.

Massillon#82 said:
Don’t tell me what my contention is, I said playing a D4 team like Glenville that will bring about 75 fans on a Friday night does nothing for the program.
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Are you concerned with attendance or competition? You're flapping your gums about getting prepared, yet you think that one of the arguably most talented teams in the state should be arbitrarily discarded? Explain yourself. If you can.

Massillon#82 said:
Actually using the Valdosta crowd in comparison to Ohio teams isn’t idiotic at all, if you were at that game you would know that a team that has fan support like Glenville or Upper Arlington or similar would have just as many fans as Valdosta brought.
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It's completely idiotic. Valdosta was a one-off. It's been talked about for years; it brought fans out of the woodwork. Scads came into town from out of state to attend that game. Do you really think that fans far and wide would fly in to watch Massillon play Glenville or UA? NFW. That is, visiting fans don't matter; locals do. So let's go to your next idiotic contention: playing a team like Glenville would be no competitive benefit. Really, dude? You want to die on that hill?
 
Oil Filter said:
Didn't say we did.


So what? That invitation is for their benefit, not ours.


Great. Another chance for people to stay home.


Are you concerned with attendance or competition? You're flapping your gums about getting prepared, yet you think that one of the arguably most talented teams in the state should be arbitrarily discarded? Explain yourself. If you can.


It's completely idiotic. Valdosta was a one-off. It's been talked about for years; it brought fans out of the woodwork. Scads came into town from out of state to attend that game. Do you really think that fans far and wide would fly in to watch Massillon play Glenville or UA? NFW. That is, visiting fans don't matter; locals do. So let's go to your next idiotic contention: playing a team like Glenville would be no competitive benefit. Really, dude? You want to die on that hill?
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1. Yet you talk as if it’s the end of the world if we play in Cincy against anyone. Interesting how you continue to avoid my question of do you even go to the games ?
2. Right we should go ahead and decline the invitation and play Upper Arlington at PBTS week 1, or some other half assed school. This is exactly why Moore is the Coach/AD and someone like you sits at mcd’s on Saturday mornings.
3. Sure were plenty of seats filled last year on the home side no matter who we played. Of course I am sure your couch didn’t have any room since you don’t go to the games anyway, but sure do btch about it.
4. You are the one who is talking about attendance and nobody at the game etc etc. I understand you post about 600 times a day on here but do you actually read it before you click post reply, or hell read anything before you open your pie hole ?
5. One of the most talented teams in the state ??? 😂😂😂 they couldn’t even beat Avon last year and it sure must be tough beating teams like Napoleon, Shelby and Canton S in the playoffs.
6. Again do you read what I post before you reply ? I’m talking about the fans that Valdosta brought in comparison to what Glenville etc would. Again you were the one who started the attendance nonsense. It’s funny to watch you jock ride on Glenville yet all year ripping the Glenville fans and team on here. It is clear to me and many other Tiger fans that you are most certainly not a Tiger and just love to open your mouth any chance you get. So just sit back and btch and whine about anything you feel doesn’t fit what you think Massillon should or shouldn’t do.
 
Oil Filter said:
Didn't say we did.


So what? That invitation is for their benefit, not ours.


Great. Another chance for people to stay home.


Are you concerned with attendance or competition? You're flapping your gums about getting prepared, yet you think that one of the arguably most talented teams in the state should be arbitrarily discarded? Explain yourself. If you can.


It's completely idiotic. Valdosta was a one-off. It's been talked about for years; it brought fans out of the woodwork. Scads came into town from out of state to attend that game. Do you really think that fans far and wide would fly in to watch Massillon play Glenville or UA? NFW. That is, visiting fans don't matter; locals do. So let's go to your next idiotic contention: playing a team like Glenville would be no competitive benefit. Really, dude? You want to die on that hill?
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You just kind of contradicted yourself bro of course fans are not going to fly in to watch us play another Ohio team other than McKinley but earlier in this argument you complained about playing out of state opponents if there is a good enough out of state opponent that attracts a lot of attention fans definitely would fly in which is the reason why coach Moore continues to schedule out of state opponents that are good...
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
You just kind of contradicted yourself bro of course fans are not going to fly in to watch us play another Ohio team other than McKinley but earlier in this argument you complained about playing out of state opponents if there is a good enough out of state opponent that attracts a lot of attention fans definitely would fly in which is the reason why coach Moore continues to schedule out of state opponents that are good...
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I have flew in to watch Pickerington, Moeller, Mentor, Ect.
The key is getting exciting games at Massillon early in the season. I agree with Oil Filter playing PCC anywhere other than Pitt or Massillon seems like a bummer from my perspective. I'm intrigued by the Jackson game as I view them a sleeping giant in the county.
 
murphy13 said:
I have flew in to watch Pickerington, Moeller, Mentor, Ect.
The key is getting exciting games at Massillon early in the season. I agree with Oil Filter playing PCC anywhere other than Pitt or Massillon seems like a bummer from my perspective. I'm intrigued by the Jackson game as I view them a sleeping giant in the county.
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I mean I understand where you're coming from and I hope you can make the game wherever it is but that's just one person's perspective. I know I will be at any venue that the Massillon tigers are playing at the thing that I think most people forget is this is about the kids and as a former player and a coach right now if I'm going to play at a place that I normally don't play at it's an exciting time because you can bond with your teammates your coaches etc. I feel like sometimes it's good for a team to experience different types of challenges throughout the season I feel like it helps mold a championship team because your daily routine is thrown off whenever a different challenge comes up which that would definitely be a challenge going to Cincinnati to play a game.
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
You just kind of contradicted yourself bro of course fans are not going to fly in to watch us play another Ohio team other than McKinley but earlier in this argument you complained about playing out of state opponents if there is a good enough out of state opponent that attracts a lot of attention fans definitely would fly in which is the reason why coach Moore continues to schedule out of state opponents that are good...
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No. Name the OOS teams that would markedly boost interest. They don't exist.

Moore schedules OOS teams because OH teams run. Period.
 
Oil Filter said:
No. Name the OOS teams that would markedly boost interest. They don't exist.

Moore schedules OOS teams because OH teams run. Period.
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I would absolutely love it for BJ Payne to bring his Hilton Head team up to play a game. Would be a decent game. Wouldn't draw a lot of extra fanfare but BJ would have those kids chomping at the bit to play us for 4 qtrs.
 
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MassillonK1D330 said:
Male Kentucky? Bishop Gorman? St Joe's PA? Hell we can play Valdosta again .... Coach Moore has said it himself that he likes to challenge his team but carry on
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Nope. None of them have any great appeal to the average fan. Valdosta was a one-off. That level of hype and anticipation would not be repeated with any of those schools.

Look at the big picture: Valdosta is the exception. Elkhart, Middletown, and St. John's are the rule.

Ya know, it doesn't really matter if you bring in a school or two who are better than those teams; the interest still won't be there. Sure, the hard-cores will be jazzed, but for your average fan it's "Who?".
 
Bud said:
I know coach Moore has stated that he would like to play Odessa Permian and De La Salle, CA.
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Neither of those games happens unless some third party writes a check. It's unlikely that anyone would write that check unless they expect to cash a bigger one afterwards. And that's not very likely at all.
 
Holy hell… someone of you could not be further from the truth in regards to “who we are playing and who we would never play” sit back and enjoy the ride… schedule is dropping soon
 
Oil Filter said:
Nope. None of them have any great appeal to the average fan. Valdosta was a one-off. That level of hype and anticipation would not be repeated with any of those schools.

Look at the big picture: Valdosta is the exception. Elkhart, Middletown, and St. John's are the rule.

Ya know, it doesn't really matter if you bring in a school or two who are better than those teams; the interest still won't be there. Sure, the hard-cores will be jazzed, but for your average fan it's "Who?".
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When does a football team in either hs or college ever concern themselves with the average fan when putting the schedule together ? The I want to argue just to argue schtick is just dumb.
 
Oil Filter said:
All the time. Certainly more often than they concern themselves with the chest-thumpers.
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All the time as in never? Nobody asked me. Me personally I enjoyed seeing St. Johns and DE as much if not more than some of the others and the attendance compared pretty well actually. Either way that is someone else's job and involves the other party, costs and terms we are not privy to. I will say that Glenville would be a GREAT pickup, and a serious challenge.
 
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TigerPaw said:
All the time as in never? Nobody asked me.
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Aggregate, Skippy.

Do you think Valdosta was some random team that agreed to play? Or do ya think that maybe -- just maybe -- they were targeted because fans had long expressed an interest in the game?

TigerPaw said:
Either way that is someone else's job and involves the other party, costs and terms we are not privy to.
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Costs and terms relate directly to revenue and expenses. Unless there's outside funding, revenue relates to attendance. Attendance relates to interest. Connecting the dots yet?
 
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Oil Filter said:
Aggregate, Skippy.

Do you think Valdosta was some random team that agreed to play? Or do ya think that maybe -- just maybe -- they were targeted because fans had long expressed an interest in the game?


Costs and terms relate directly to revenue and expenses. Unless there's outside funding, revenue relates to attendance. Attendance relates to interest. Connecting the dots yet?
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Lol. Condescending as usual.

Valdosta is well known nationally and to Massillon fans because of their history, yes. We (Massillon and Ohio fans in general) are also more familiar with many other nationally known programs these days also. Maxpreps etc. There are several we could open with to similar attendance.
 
TigerPaw said:
Valdosta is well known nationally and to Massillon fans because of their history, yes. We (Massillon and Ohio fans in general) are also more familiar with many other nationally known programs these days also. Maxpreps etc. There are several we could open with to similar attendance.
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Massillon has been talking about playing Valdosta for decades. And no, most fans are not familiar with national programs. HS football (even in Massillon) is local. Hell, most fans say "Who?" when playing a team from Cincinnati or Columbus. Thinking they'd get all worked up over a team from Florida or Texas is a bit optimistic.

Besides, we aren't paying to bring one of those teams here. So who would?
 
MassillonTigers3 said:
Glenoak, Mansfield, Elkhart, St. John’s, and the Delaware team games all had essentially the same attendance. FYI
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IOW, no one sees the OOS schools as some special opponent to be circled on the calendar. They are there to fill the schedule because closer schools run. It really is that simple. Do they beat an open week? Sure. Do they offer anything else? Not really.
 
TigerPaw said:
How did Middletown and St. John draw as well as GO and WGH?
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Because GlenOak and Warren don't generate that much interest, either. There are three tiers of opponents: average (GlenOak, Mansfield, Fitch, etc.), fodder (Firestone, etc.), and exceptional (Valdosta, St. Ed, etc.). Attendance (i.e. interest) reflects that. There are a variety of factors which determine where a particular team would be slotted, but familiarity is as big of a component as competitiveness. You want to bring in whomever from wherever because you think they prepare us better? Knock yerself out -- but don't expect that the average ticket buyer is going for any reason other than habit.
 
Oil Filter said:
Because GlenOak and Warren don't generate that much interest, either. There are three tiers of opponents: average (GlenOak, Mansfield, Fitch, etc.), fodder (Firestone, etc.), and exceptional (Valdosta, St. Ed, etc.). Attendance (i.e. interest) reflects that. There are a variety of factors which determine where a particular team would be slotted, but familiarity is as big of a component as competitiveness. You want to bring in whomever from wherever because you think they prepare us better? Knock yerself out -- but don't expect that the average ticket buyer is going for any reason other than habit.
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Or people that don’t go at all but love to voice their opinion 🙄
 
Oil Filter said:
Because GlenOak and Warren don't generate that much interest, either. There are three tiers of opponents: average (GlenOak, Mansfield, Fitch, etc.), fodder (Firestone, etc.), and exceptional (Valdosta, St. Ed, etc.). Attendance (i.e. interest) reflects that. There are a variety of factors which determine where a particular team would be slotted, but familiarity is as big of a component as competitiveness. You want to bring in whomever from wherever because you think they prepare us better? Knock yerself out -- but don't expect that the average ticket buyer is going for any reason other than habit.
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Explain 2022…
St Ed’s - 7409
Fitch - 7210
 
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