Bless Em All
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I agree. I think Madison will be able to compete with everyone when they have great classes come through... like the 2019 graduating class. Most other years they will be lucky to go 5-5 in the new SWBL.Madison definitely had their best decade in school history. I still feel like they are going to really struggle, along with Carlisle, once the teams from the Buckeye league are gone after next season. Historically, they have not done well in crossover games.
This is the reason I don’t think this new version of the SWBL works, it’s going to push teams from the bottom or the top out, teams like Franklin/Bellbrook and Madison/Carlisle have to decide what the next move is, guessing the bottom two are the odd guys out, but no one can look at this league and say it sets up nicely for Madison or Carlisle in any sport neither school is getting any bigger Madison doesn’t even have room to grow. And not sure Carlisle has any room to grow either maybe a little.Madison definitely had their best decade in school history. I still feel like they are going to really struggle, along with Carlisle, once the teams from the Buckeye league are gone after next season. Historically, they have not done well in crossover games.
I think you’re right, I also believe we see another new conference in a few years also,I know Brookville doesn’t want in the MU conference right now but in a few years it maybe the best choice, it would also give the SWBL the room to add whatever bigger schools they wanted.This is the reason Milton is leaving. Madison and MU are very similar. We saw a chance to play county schools and jumped on it. Covington vs MU will be a war. Can’t wait. They play this year in week 2. Covington is a very good program. 10 miles up at rte 48.
Could get Madison, Carlisle, Waynesville, Little Miami, New Miami, Blanchester and maybe Ross to form a new conference. The Hamilton 7 conference. Maybe even Monroe to make it 8. Bigger schools but not like the SWBL.
100% agree Monroe’s numbers are crazy the only schools you consider small that’s in the Southwestern side is Brookville, Oakwood and VV aren’t really that big but would guess if they split like that Brookville would be the odd man out. I thought Bless em all said he heard they were splitting into East and West.to be considered D III (272-377)
To be considered D IV (209-271)
To be considered D V (163-208)
(All #s adjusted for competitive balance)
SWBL Enrollment for 2020
D III
Franklin- 354
Monroe - 334
Bellbrook - 320
D IV
Oakwood- 249
Valley View- 239
Northridge- 223
Eaton- 219
Milton Union- 215
Waynesville- 211
D V
Carlisle- 192
Madison- 176
Brookville- 171
Preble Shawnee- 171
D VI
Dixie- 162
I think the notion Monroe belongs in a small school conference is not correct. I get their sports are down but they absolutely have the #s to rebound and be up there with Bellbrook and Franklin
I haven’t really been that much interested in conference realignment However if the SWBL does decide to realign I would like to see schools all with similar enrollment #s. It’s pretty crazy seeing the massive enrollment differences between teams within the same division
Also for reference CMs 2020 adjusted enrollment is 258
I am not saying this is going to happen, because it's probably not likely. But I'd still love the WOAC to split into a north and south and see the south division to look something like this...This is the reason Milton is leaving. Madison and MU are very similar. We saw a chance to play county schools and jumped on it. Covington vs MU will be a war. Can’t wait. They play this year in week 2. Covington is a very good program. 10 miles up at rte 48.
Could get Madison, Carlisle, Waynesville, Little Miami, New Miami, Blanchester and maybe Ross to form a new conference. The Hamilton 7 conference. Maybe even Monroe to make it 8. Bigger schools but not like the SWBL.
South will be playing Madison week 1 starting next year, Carlisle’s football program hasn’t ever been that great besides a 3/4 year run same with Madison, both schools will end up in a different conference and I know Shawnee/Dixie will at least try to get the other WOAC schools on board with this might not happen but I know it will be a option.I'm sure you understand that is a non-starter BF937. North, South, and Trail didn't help kick out Miami East and Bethel to add Madison and Carlisle. That whole league is going to live in their small bubble for a while before they let in any 'big' schools, (and I consider Carlisle and Madison big comparing them to most WOAC schools.)
i don’t hate this league but i can’t ever imagine Little Miami and New Miami joining up. replace New Miami with Badin maybe?This is the reason Milton is leaving. Madison and MU are very similar. We saw a chance to play county schools and jumped on it. Covington vs MU will be a war. Can’t wait. They play this year in week 2. Covington is a very good program. 10 miles up at rte 48.
Could get Madison, Carlisle, Waynesville, Little Miami, New Miami, Blanchester and maybe Ross to form a new conference. The Hamilton 7 conference. Maybe even Monroe to make it 8. Bigger schools but not like the SWBL.
TVS will actually play Carlisle starting week 1 of next season. Madison is the jamboree game. I understand why the CCC broke up, but I'm just speaking as to what I wish would happen.South will be playing Madison week 1 starting next year, Carlisle’s football program hasn’t ever been that great besides a 3/4 year run same with Madison, both schools will end up in a different conference and I know Shawnee/Dixie will at least try to get the other WOAC schools on board with this might not happen but I know it will be a option.
Little Miami is too big and and still growing. New Miami couldn't compete against any of those schools they are DVII and not getting any bigger. Badin would dominate in just about every sport, but especially football. They beat Alter twice this year (no small feat) and played a solid game against Trotwood in the regional final. There is no simple answer for either Madison or Carlisle. The current Buckeye division was a great fit, but without adding extensive travel there really isn't a great match for either of them.i don’t hate this league but i can’t ever imagine Little Miami and New Miami joining up. replace New Miami with Badin maybe?
That would be insane for Bellbrook. They won't leave the SWBL for a league where their average travel distance would be roughly an hour. If they leave for any conference it would be the MVL.The best option for the small SWBL schools is to reform without Bellbrook, Monroe, and Franklin. Won't be a popular opinion, but Valley View, Eaton, Oakwood, Waynesville, Carlisle, Madison, Brookville is one school away from a solid mid-size league. I don't know who that 8th school is though. Massie would be good. Dayton Christian would be a stretch, but they might be up for it.
Franklin, Bellbrook, and Monroe could join the 7 teams in the SWOC, bringing it to a 10 team league.
That’s if the MVL wants them. A lot of “what if’s” here.That would be insane for Bellbrook. They won't leave the SWBL for a league where their average travel distance would be roughly an hour. If they leave for any conference it would be the MVL.
I agree with that. I wouldn’t be surprised if Franklin and Monroe left sometime soon.That’s if the MVL wants them. A lot of “what if’s” here.
dograt is right. The 3 largest schools are either going to leave the league or they will determine its future. SWBL was always a small school league and seeing it move towards larger schools takes away from the foundation of the SWBL.
Bellbrook, Franklin and Monroe are fully capable of finding another conference to join. The other 7 could add a couple of nice programs like CM, East Clinton or even Greeneview and have a nice SWBL.
Bellbrook will hang onto the SWBL as long as they can. Just like Brookville. Franklin and Monroe could take it or leave it.