Holtmann went 15 - 3 in BIG with Matta's recruits in his 1st year as coach, since than OSU is 24 - 25 in league play. I want Holtmann to succeed because I am a big OSU fan however if OSU is 500 or worse again next year it is time to move on and over pay someone else to be head coach.
Holtmann went 15 - 3 in BIG with Matta's recruits in his 1st year as coach, since than OSU is 24 - 25 in league play. I want Holtmann to succeed because I am a big OSU fan however if OSU is 500 or worse again next year it is time to move on and over pay someone else to be head coach.
LOL great trajectory another 500 BIG season yeah that is fantastic. CJ Walker was no big loss, I would rather have MJ at point, take his lumps this year and be ready to be the starting point guard next year.LOL. Holtmann has the program in a good place - great trajectory. Zero chance he gets fired, because Gene Smith is smarter than so-called fans. This is the deepest team I can remember at OSU, if we could stay healthy. They play a good brand of basketball; hard-nosed and team oriented. It just so happens that the league is brutally tough.
Not a good place, what a laugh, Holtmann inherited KBD and frosh Kaleb Wesson. Matta's last 4 years he was 39 - 33 with 11 of those losses in his last season. How many more years does Holtmann get before he actually wins something ? Make it to the 2nd weekend in the tourney something Matta did on a regular basis, lets hope so.This talk of Holtmann on the hot seat is overblown. Ohio State was not in a good place when he came in, and he has won a tournament game each year he has had the opportunity. This team will get better when everyone(hopefully) gets healthy, and depending on matchups, could easily get to the second weekend.
CJ Walker was no big loss
Not a good place, what a laugh, Holtmann inherited KBD
Even though MJ should be in H.S. school, I would rather him at pg than Walker who is not a very good pg.Pretty silly comment when the only healthy PG on the team is a kid who should still be in HS and has been with the team for all of 3 weeks.
For 1 year. And in that 1 year with KBD (and Tate) OSU finished 1st in the Big Ten. The year before Matta missed the NCAA and NIT tournaments. Now tell me who the 2 best players were in Holtmanns 2nd year. They must have been studs if OSU was in such a good place with Matta. They weren't, it was Wesson and Jackson who combined for 1 All Big Ten Honorable Mention. The reality, which you seemingly refuse to accept, is there wasn't much talent outside seniors on the roster when Holtmann took over in the summer after nearly every recruit had already signed and enrolled at other schools.
And why are you giving Matta get a pass for not making the 2nd weekend 4 years in a row and missing the tournament entirely his last 2 years? Meanwhile you want to fire Holtmann for going 2-2 in making the tournament? It's not like Holtmann has underachieved in the tournament. They lost by 6 as a 5 seed to a 4 seed in '18 and lost by 15 as an 11 seed to a 3 seed in 2019.
Even though MJ should be in H.S. school, I would rather him at pg than Walker who is not a very good pg.
KBD was injured Matta's last season at OSU. Matta's 2nd last season OSU was 11 - 7 in the BIG why the Bucks were not in the NCAA tourney is beyond me. Matta had a good recruiting class coming in only to see it fall apart except for Ahrens who stuck with OSU plus Micah Potter was on the team only to transfer out.
Yeah your view point and anyone who agrees with it is a knowledgeable bball fan. That is funny. Do I expect OSU to be better than a 500 bball club, yes, esp. since the coach is one of the top paid coaches in the league.Stirred is just one of those perpetual complainers, that thinks basketball should be like football where you have 3rd string talent that is better than most of the Big Ten starters.
Knowledgeable fans appreciate what a solid job Holtmann is doing, and know the program is heading the right direction. This team is far deeper and better prepared than the last several Matta teams. The league is just a lot tougher/deeper now too. Ask Izzo how it's going this year.
We could use a big man though. I like Zed Key but 6'8" isn;t cutting it this year with all the monsters in the Big Ten. And I love EJ Liddell but he is a power forward, not a Center.
Your whole post is silly.So you think having no backup PG is no big loss? Again, silly comment.
KBD wasn't going to improve that team dramatically. In the 9 games he played that year he was scoring almost 10 ppg and bringing down 5 rpg. Did it hurt the team? Sure, but you don't go from missing the NIT to making the NCAA tournament just because you're missing a 10 and 5 guy. They didn't make the tournament the year before because they finished 7th in the Big 10 and lost to teams like Texas-Arlington, Louisana Tech, Memphis and a UConn team who only made the NCAA tournament because they won the AAC tournament for an automatic bid - they finished 6th in AAC play that year. More importantly, they only had wins over 2 ranked teams - Kentucky #4 at the time and #8 Iowa at the time, but by the time the tournament rolled around Kentucky was ranked #16 and Iowa #25. Not exactly a stellar resume. Thad also completely wiffed on the 2015 recruiting class and by the time Holtmann took over only Lyle was left and he was a headcase. Good recruiting class coming in? He had Wesson and Beverly committed in his final class going into Holtmann's first year. Beverly only left because OSU let him out of his LOI. He was already enrolled at the school. So instead Holtmann flipped Young (#80) and had Jallow to reclassify (#149). You're thinking of the 2018 recruiting class which had Bazley decommit well before Thad left. Goodwin (#100) and Watson (#112) decommitted after Thad left. Goodwin is average and would help the team this year because they are so thin at PG but Watson is averaging a whopping 6 minutes per game this year and a whole 1.2 ppg. Holtmann replaced them with Muhammed (#79), LeDee (#103), and Washington (#167). And don't take this as me absolving Holtmann either. He's in his 4th year now so he's had time to get his guys in. But the reality, which again you refuse to accept, is Thad left the program in not so great shape.
Also, I am curious why you seem to give Matta a pass for not making it past the 1st weekend in 4 consecutive years.
You keep whining about them being a "500 club". Last time I checked, 12-4 is way over .500, .750 to be precise. Ranked 15 in the country. More wins against top 15 in the country than any other school. What are you whining about?Yeah your view point and anyone who agrees with it is a knowledgeable bball fan. That is funny. Do I expect OSU to be better than a 500 bball club, yes, esp. since the coach is one of the top paid coaches in the league.
Ohio loses to purdue.chris holtman a awful coach.. .
Huge win.