2015 Football

cincyfootball7 said:
Rabbit was the poster who said 'road grater lineman", not me. By the way "GRAETER" is an ice cream company, "GRATER" is a kitchen tool used to shred cheese. I know. I'm fat.
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LOL, I don't know how I spelled it? My point; Moeller has 3 big D1 potential offensive lineman returning. Not many HS teams in Ohio will have that luxury next year :shrug:
 
cincyfootball7 said:
Geez you're awfully passionate about your support for Hensley. I get that he led the D-line in tackles...who cares? Do you think that's a really meaningful stat for Defensive Linemen? It's not, as evidenced by the fact that Jack Meyer was named GCL D-Linemen of the year over leading tackler Hensley. Don't get me wrong, Hensley had a great season individually.
"But Hawkins and Meiser are simply no where near the athletes Hensley and Meyer are."
No where near the athletes? Please, now you're really showing your bias. Meiser is definitely going to be a Division 1 Recruit, and Hawkins likely will too if he works hard in the weight room and progresses. Are Hensley or Meyer going to be playing Division 1 ball?

I ignored your remarks about the coaching because I don't want to be yet another one of those arrogant, delusional Moeller parents who thinks they know more about football than the coaches themselves, including a head coach who has brought two state championships and another final four appearance back to the school. I will say our offense was absolutely painful to watch at times this past season, and agree that losing a great offensive coordinator like Pat McLaughlin and a great offensive line coach like Doug Rosfeld wouldn't be good for any staff.
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So, you know so much about football, but you think leading the D line in tackles isn't meaningful? Huh. Interesting. And also, concerning your pic for lineman that will be better than Hensley or Meyer... there's a whole bunch of "ifs" in there. Hensley and Meyer were both stronger and faster than either of your pics are NOW when they were sophomores. Hensley and Meyer are in the top 3 of the strongest guys on the team, Meyer the fastest lineman... and have been for the last 2 years. Are they better athletes than your pics? Absolutely. And they are in fact talking to D1 schools. So far, all your crap is assumptions, hopes and "if they work hard". Good luck with that.

And again, in all your knowledge, that head coach only brought 2 championships with the coaches he brought on board. When they left, and when Roswell left, he was left to his own devices much as he was his first year. The records speak for themselves. If you made a graph, there's an absolute rise and fall that coincides with the arrival and departure of certain coaches. 5 and 5. Tied for the worst record in Moe history. Beat Elder by a score, and a chump Canadian team victory... and you think all well? Lol ok. You even named some of the guys that left and the impact they had. Translation... Rodey may not be all that without help. Thanks for pointing that out.

And Graters... Pretty sure I said I THINK... sarcasm. Look it up. There should be a dictionary right by the "Football for dummies" section.
 
How can you be on a Moeller forum and see Moeller fans going at it, now that's laughable. Guys this team had promise until injuries took their toll on the team and who's to say that one class is better than the other is crazy because each class have there studs they play against but each group will be different. Now me being who I am I believe some kids played because certain uncontrollable reasons and others didn't get a chance because of those reasons. So we all know this year wasn't the way it should of been, so let's move on and just focus on getting our kids ready for next year and quit relying on the football staff because as a parent it's yours and the player responsibilities to get their stuff together and make the next year better than the last. Hopefully the staff are working on their part and kids and parents do theirs and we'll have a great season.
 
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I don't know MoePops that defense was one of the worse I've ever seen at Moeller. Sure having the QB go down with the injury sure didn't help but we gave up way too many points this year.
 
Slide-by said:
Where did I say replacing a 3 for 15 kicker is the most glaring need for next year? Did I say that? No, I didnt. I pointed out how if that 3 for 15 kicker had the kind of year he had LAST year it would have changed Moe's playoff results... people like you who misread or simply don't understand what you read crack me up.

Second... you agree that neither qb upcoming is McVittie caliber... I don't need to see them play that much at all to see that fact. I don't care if they were playing the best team south of Cleveland. In fact, the best team south of Cleveland only won by 2... missed field goals and McVittie would have changed that outcome dramatically. Exactly as I said and exactly as another poster pointed out how important a solid kicking game is.

Third... you state Hensley was "solid"... that solid player lead the D line in tackles over even over Meyer... who was named GCL something-or-other. The other DT... who? The other end? Who? Exactly. I've seen Hawkins at practice. Better at that position? No. Not even close. Meiser I know personally. Great kid. But Hawkins and Meiser are simply no where near the athletes Hensley and Meyer are. Meyer and Hensley made up the D line. Unless something changes, I doubt you'll be "fine" at that position.

Fourth... you totally ignored my remarks about the coaching. IMO... vanilla at best when it came to offense. McVittie was a playmaker, and it showed. Without him, we lose to Elder. That's pretty obvious. And Moeller has its first losing season. When looking at the head coach, years from start to finish, the rise in wins coincides with hires and the decline coincides with departures. Go ahead. Take an honest look at that aspect.

Everybody wants to think their kids class is going to be better than the class above. I know we did. And that's fine. No shame in that. But given the coaching this year, the lack of talent in the secondaries, the lack of rising stars in linebackers (said yourself you couldn't name any replacements for Griega, Raga), the lack of a D1 qb, and the step down in a couple other areas I'd say Moe needs to take a hard look at what's happening. I love Moe football. But to tie for the worse record ever and then say the next class is better is ridiculous. If they were... they would have played over every player you mentioned. The fact is, they werent.

BTW, "road grater lineman" is grossly incorrect. "GRATER" is an ice cream company I think. A road GRADER is a machine that sets grade to a road or building pad. I know. I run one.
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I'm pretty sure the kicker didn't go 3 for 15 and his KO's were almost always touchbacks or onside kick recoveries;)

I think the biggest reason for the poor season was the injuries. Your third string QB starts the second half of your second game? I think I counted 9 starters missed multiple games. Devastating for any team, but especially for a team with not a lot of depth.

Oh and is it true they start the season next year with 6 or 7 consecutive road games? Wow, just wow.
 
PVKS66208 said:
I'm pretty sure the kicker didn't go 3 for 15 and his KO's were almost always touchbacks or onside kick recoveries;)

I think the biggest reason for the poor season was the injuries. Your third string QB starts the second half of your second game? I think I counted 9 starters missed multiple games. Devastating for any team, but especially for a team with not a lot of depth.

Oh and is it true they start the season next year with 6 or 7 consecutive road games? Wow, just wow.
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You should check the kickers stats. He missed at LEAST 2 in the Wayne game, which we lost by 2. He missed a 15 yard chip shot against LaSalle with a few seconds left for the win that sent us into overtime. We lost. Those are of the top of my head. Is he the sole reason Moe had a bad year? No. Did he have a less than stellar year? Absolutely. Check his stats, as "I'm pretty sure" isnt valid. He kicked off the turf the first half of the year, and it wasn't good. When coaches are telling players not to say anything to him because kicking is a mental game and he's having a bad enough year, that's legit.

McVittie, Packer and Smith were the impact players who were injured. You think the biggest reason for the poor season was the injuries? Certainly, that had an impact. As noted, the defense was not so good. Couple that with McVittie not being there to do what he does... run and gun Ragland style, and it's disaster.
 
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One of the bigger surprises to me for last year's team was the difficulty in the running game. The previous year, they really gained momentum in the running game with Hughes and the o-line.....especially in the playoffs. They had a lot of the line back for last year's team and Hughes. They just never seemed to be able to get it going from where they were the year before. God knows they tried with some of the conservative play calling, but it just wasn't there last year. In one of Rodenburg's interviews he said there was a scheme change from Rosfeld to Barry. Anyone know specifically what the "scheme" change was? I'm not sure why you change what was already working. Anyway, I though it was interesting. With several lineman coming back again and a good stable of running backs, hopefully they come out clicking next year.
 
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