Listen to the podcast. It's kind of in there.I would love to know what really happened with Kyrie? Is this the same reason Paul George opted to stay in OKC rather than be LeBron's Robin?
To me to celebrate the Title was awesome and I just wore my Lockerroom T yesterday but the it is kind of sad. Should have been so much more. LeBron and a healthy Kyrie are the only thing in this NBA that could unseat the Warriors. Where was this Kevin Love in the past few Finals because him with LBJ/Kyrie could have done it. To me 2018 Houston was basically 2016 OKC they didn't want it enough. I mean come on 27 straight missed 3 point shots. Take it to the hoop dammit, LOL.
Both LeBron and Kyrie had huge egos in Cle. What the roundtable today intimated was that Kyrie wasn't really interested in winning, but rather making himself more marketable.Pretty amazing insights into the LeBron Phase II years.
I think the point was that, to Kyrie, sacrificing team primacy wasn't worth winning more sooner. I doubt he'd eschew the Title for another Uncle Drew movie.Both LeBron and Kyrie had huge egos in Cle. What the roundtable today intimated was that Kyrie wasn't really interested in winning, but rather making himself more marketable.
I'm sure he wasn't happy that after he hit what was essentially the game winner in Game 7 and had just one point less than LeBron he got less attention than even J.R. for running around without his shirt on.I think the point was that, to Kyrie, sacrificing team primacy wasn't worth winning more sooner. I doubt he'd eschew the Title for another Uncle Drew movie.
Saw the highlights on Reddit. Wow, Kyrie is a huge b*tch. I take back all my defense of him just wanting to be the man, showing he can be the #1 guy, now that he has a title. I actually spit out my water when I read the bit about being annoyed about the flat earth thing and no one takes him seriously. :laugh:Pretty amazing insights into the LeBron Phase II years.
The emotion of a true Cavs fan. Maybe you only call yourself one when it's convenient.I now understand the emotion you're expending on this.
To answer the question at hand, HELL YES!
So.....maybe you give him 1-3.......so, one team has come back from 1-3 in a Finals - the Cavs!!!! And the winning points were scored by.......oh....... wait........never mind :dang:But they weren't 2-2. They were 0-4. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
And when a team has an owner whose luxury tax bill is only one million less than the entire rest of the league - $130,000,000 to $131,000,000 - maybe it’s time to ask why it was so hard to get other top level talent in here :shrug:They lost 7 out of 8 finals games and had 24 fewer regular season wins in the same two years. Two even teams until two seasons ago when one of the teams added the second best player in basketball while the other lost a top 20 player last year. Yep, they were neck and neck.
Excellent post. Very thought provoking. LeBron has been the greatest individual performer the last 20 years, but has he been the best teammate? Look and the wake of former teammates he's had. He's been through countless coaches as well.Everything the past 15 years.
7 years. No playoffs first two but improvement shown. Almost beating Kingpin Detroit then beating Detroit to get an undermanned team to the Finals. Then reshuffling roster and taking eventual champs to 7 games before falling. Then consecutive earlier than expected losses despite 66 and 61 wins. There was Delonte, Elbow or No Elbow, Did he Quit?, The Decision and "Quitness". Then there was 3 awful years but in year 4 there was some improvement. LeBron comes back despite media doubting it. Cavs struggle early but get to the Finals with a hobbled team and were nearly up 3-0 in the Finals. Then came the 3-1 to Champions vs the Most winning team in NBA History. Then Durant joins The Evil Empire. Cavs fall in 5 in the "Three-Match", Kyrie leaves, team is filled with old stiffs and trades at deadline better the team. LBJ nearly falls in Round 1 for the first time ever but then roll the #1 seed in the East before surviving a wounded Celtics team to get back to the Finals. Epic performance in Game 1 but an even worse performance by the officials on multiple occasions as well as two of his teammates bumbling a win. Was there a hand injury or was it Elbow 2.0? Now he leaves for the second time and goes to a place that has resented and disrespected him for a decade and a half.
Was that ONE CHAMPIONSHIP worth it? While it was unforgettable and so many epic performances and moments was it worth it? Some would say that in his 11 years in Cleveland the supposed GOAT should have been able to win more than a single Championship.
What does everyone think?
One title would be pretty thin, but he has three titles :shrug:I'm not a Cavs fan, but it's a fair criticizm that if he's as good as people claim, one title in 15 years is a little thin. And consider if he was in the east, maybe some of those finals appearances don't even happen if he's in the west.
lolOne title would be pretty thin, but he has three titles :shrug:
Pretty accurate. They had no business in playing in the Finals in '07, the fact they made it there should be an accomplishment for LeBron, many use it to point to his 3-6 record in the Finals. Basically every year he's been to a Finals as a Cav, they've been vast underdogs.My question would be, what year did the team Lebron was on have enough talent to win, but didn't? The 2012 Miami team I would say is the only example. And that's offset by the 2016 Cavs team which had no business winning but did largely thanks to arguably the greatest finals performance ever from Lebron.
Yeah, pretty obvious that MJ was never quite strong enough to carry an underdog team all the way to the Finals. Jordan either had the horses or he didn't go :shrug:Just looked it up, Lebron has been the underdog in 7 of 9 finals(Mavs and first Spurs series the exceptions.)
I did not remember them being underdogs to OKC but evidently Vegas had OKC as a very slight favorite the year they met in the finals.
So he has actually overachieved with 3 titles.