#15, 2-6, "Control Own Destiny"...THE PLAYOFFS KINDA SUCK.

Sykotyk said:
The game is different, too.

When I was in school, so many teams did a Wing T or Single Wing, where they might throw once or a twice a game, if at all. There wasn't so much open field hitting, which I think has made the game more dangerous when paired with inexperienced or unprepared kids. Especially those with big size differences even just from being different grades.

Also, games just ended faster with a running game even. Because of a heavy run game, you had defenses bunched within a yard or two of the line. Once a back got through the line, they were generally going for a TD. These spread offenses throw a lot over the middle and out routes no more than 10-15 yards downfield. So, even high powered offenses are having a lot of offensive plays that see a lot more stoppages. Out of bounds and incompletes can really slow a game and add to the play count.
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What? Are you over 90?
 
simkon said:
He is not around the same age as me, so we have never actually played with each other, but I was saying if I hypothetically were to have gone up against him or boys his side. Incidentally in high school my cousin was a 300+ pound lineman, I was a 100 pound Free Safety/Wide Receiver/Kicker. When I played my coach always told me to get out of bounds before I got killed, getting murdered by a boy that weighs 3 times as much as me wouldn't help make me or the team better, it would actually have the opposite effect.
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I agree! But it definitely improves your agility and speed running for your life lol
 
Keith Piper ran the Single Wing at Denison College (University) from 1977 until 1992. Won two North Coast Conference titles, 1985 & 1986 with it. The Double Wing offense is run by a lot of HS coaches and is a run oriented, power offense too. (You can throw from it, but the big advantage is power at the point of attack, using essentially what equals 9 linemen.
 
SLM20 said:
I'm in the minority with this but I'm all for watching my son, grandson or nephew play one more game. Just call it week 11, then you can't hang that banner saying playoffs. When I played my teams were .500 teams but I would've loved to play one more game with all my buddies.

How many kids get to play at the next level. I don't understand people knocking this. Especially saying go back to 4 per region. People complain about teams not scheduling good teams. Going back to 4 would eliminate that all together. Man I just don't get it.

I love high school football, like the rest of everyone on this site. Why take one more game away from all of us watching another Friday night game. Kinda of like going to just Friday games for the playoffs really sucks.
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Non qualifying playoff teams can schedule a week 11 game. I am not from the "everybody gets in or gets a trophy generation". Which means I do not believe in that philosophy. Playoffs are to be earned. I think 8 is the perfect number, but with also less classifications.
 
CMH FB said:
You all see it too.

That's all I got. What are we doing?

Get off my lawn. Go Bucks.
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Don't watch, then... we don't need your attention to this, anyway-- sports are conducted for the kids-- NOT YOU-- it's an extraCURRICULAR activity that is supposed to offer students life lessons and teachable moments-- YOU deciding unilaterally that SOME of them should get fewer of those opportunities is absurd.

EVERY OTHER OHIO HS SPORT puts EVERY school in the playoffs-- there is no reason for you to decide unilaterally that football (somehow) should be "different".
 
Caleb said:
It's simple. Go back to 4 teams per region. No reason other then money not to
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No-- that's a ignorant response. THERE IS NO MONEY IN HS SPORTS-- EVERY game costs more to put on (ESPECIALLY in football) than is raised in gate revenue-- particularly when the fully loaded cost of insuring the teams, staffing the facilities, traveling to the games, etc. are included in the cost-- this idea that the OHSAA does things "for the money" is so stupid, and so far from the truth-- it would be NICE if this site could STOP having uneducated kibitzers make that asinine comment in EVERY thread about EVERY decision the OHSAA makes.
 
4GX said:
EVERY OTHER OHIO HS SPORT puts EVERY school in the playoffs-- there is no reason for you to decide unilaterally that football (somehow) should be "different".
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Every TEAM does not get to participate in the tournament for tennis. I know hockey and lacross didn't include every team as well, not sure if it still the case.
 
Being a wrestling fan aswell, it would be nice to have and 8 man region instead of 16, that would give wrestlers (on state final football teams) more than a week to move into competition, practices begin Nov. 13th I believe, making that coming out of Region Semis, which is still leaves 56 teams practicing! Getting the 9-16 teams out really saves everyone a week IMO, but I do $ee why it happens.
 
simkon said:
I like my idea
Top 4 teams in each region automatically make the playoffs. Any additional teams may elect to participate in the playoffs with the caveat that if they lose by 23 or more points in week 11 or 12, then they get permanently banned from the playoffs from henceforth and forever more. That way it prevents teams from electing to participate in the playoffs that don't belong that would just get running clocked and lose by 70.
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Way too much going on with this.....
 
reganaustinjames said:
Because the logistics won't allow for it. Every team making the playoffs in 2020 was prescient because of the inherent unpredictability, but under normal circumstances, you'd have to start the season around August 5th if every team were to make the playoffs. You want to watch a game in those temps? I sure don't.

And by week 11, many kids are just ready to be done. My senior year, my team went 6-4, had some high-quality wins, and qualified for the playoffs as a 7-seed, but we all knew we would get smoked by the 2-seed and effectively quit before the game started. If a team like THAT is ready to hang it up, can you imagine how these 2-8/1-9 teams feel?

And in the past, making the playoffs was an accomplishment and meant you had a good season. Now, it's more reflective of the 'participation trophy' problem. Other sports should revert to how football has done things; not the other way around.
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You won't have to start that early if you make it a 8-game regular season.
 
I really don't get all the "ideas" and opinions here. Ohioans (I assume majority here) are ignorant, naive or both if they think OHSAA takes Yappi into account to make executive or financial decisions.

First post asked what are we doing about it. You all know the answer, realizing yes that there may have to be a short term hit for your supported school system......stop attending OHSAA revenue playoff games. Decide this year, and convince as many non-forum supporters as you know, to boycott the playoffs.

If your school can get ticket revenue buying at the school for home playoff game so be it. Otherwise, why so hard? Stop funding OHSAA at their revenue games and write letters instead of letting a few online sport geeks know your opinion, and this farce should improve quickly.
 
bkmk1 said:
Non qualifying playoff teams can schedule a week 11 game. I am not from the "everybody gets in or gets a trophy generation". Which means I do not believe in that philosophy. Playoffs are to be earned. I think 8 is the perfect number, but with also less classifications.
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That scenario for both those that get in and number of classifications is still picking an arbitrary line between your "everybody gets a trophy" and what, earned trophy? No requirement that all 8 have a winning record or even be good. Neither of those are really the decision makers here. The decision makers seem to be, number of weeks available and support staff available. Otherwise, play the games.

I agree with anyone taking the "it can get dangerous" POV. Let's hope the coaches have some sense. We're seeing regular OOC between teams winning state championships and teams with barely a win in weak conferences. These are handled on the field. Same a play-off game I suppose. A team CAN opt out should they choose.
 
4GX said:
No-- that's a ignorant response. THERE IS NO MONEY IN HS SPORTS-- EVERY game costs more to put on (ESPECIALLY in football)
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Found the guy with their hand in the cookie jar, every thread has one. OHSAA must have been collecting alms from the poor to send 50 people to Hawaii for a “conference”
 
akron1 said:
Here’s and idea———Starting week 11, if you don’t like the current format, just stop watching until it makes you feel better. Every year you people complain about this and 90% of highschool fans think it’s fine. You're in the minority complaining
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90%? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 
Journey said:
Found the guy with their hand in the cookie jar, every thread has one. OHSAA must have been collecting alms from the poor to send 50 people to Hawaii for a “conference”
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Another absurd response-- study up on the economics of HS sports, and come back to post when you actually KNOW SOMETHING about them.
 
8 was the number that made sense...16 is the number that makes the OHSAA money and they will never relinquish that! They take all of the playoff money now and it will stay that way...
 
coachrios said:
8 was the number that made sense...16 is the number that makes the OHSAA money and they will never relinquish that! They take all of the playoff money now and it will stay that way...
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Which begs another question: can't the schools introduce a referendum overriding this in the offseason?
 
4GX said:
Another absurd response-- study up on the economics of HS sports, and come back to post when you actually KNOW SOMETHING about them.
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Laura Vermilya ain't worried about the seafood tower line items and the extra $8 mil they got from watering down the tournament isn't going to spend itself.
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simkon said:
Every TEAM does not get to participate in the tournament for tennis. I know hockey and lacross didn't include every team as well, not sure if it still the case.
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Are you talking about the team tournament, or the individual tournament in tennis-- because no good player is ever excluded from competing for the state title in tennis-- and to do that, I believe his/her team has to participate in the initial rounds of the tournament, regardless of how good the rest of the team is.

Hockey is an absurd sport in Ohio-- there are fewer teams than ANY other sport that is sanctioned by the OHSAA for a state title-- lacrosse had ~twice as many teams fielded in Ohio than hockey did, without being able to get the OHSAA to give lacrosse fully sanctioned status for an OHSAA-sponsored state tournament-- I believe lacrosse is NOW, and I believe all teams are included in the state tournament...

There are about ~145 boys lacrosse teams, and ~78 boys ice hockey teams-- from looking at the brackets, it looks like every lacrosse and every ice hockey team was in the state tournament. I can't imagine why the OHSAA would EXCLUDE any ice hockey teams-- there really aren't even enough boys hockey teams to warrant HOLDING an OHSAA-sanctioned state tournament in the first place-- or any lacrosse teams, for that matter.
 
Journey said:
Laura Vermilya ain't worried about the seafood tower line items and the extra $8 mil they got from watering down the tournament isn't going to spend itself.
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There is NO money made by schools-- and the OHSAA doles out a good bit of its revenue in scholarships to HS athletes for college...

The idea that the OHSAA is the money-making machine ($25,255,683 is chicken feed for revenue, when you consider how many thousands of tournament games, matches, meets, etc. that the OHSAA conducts--and I notice that you DIDN'T include a bottom-line "profit" number, after expenses for the OHSAA) is ludicrous.
 
4GX said:
There is NO money made by schools--
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Correct, that money goes straight to Columbus. They used to only take a portion of presales. They took a portion of game day sales too, with the remainder going to the host school. Now they take it all. Columbus greed is why "nobody wants to host anymore" and they already stole all the ticket revenue before watering down the tournament. So they set the rules so the games aren't played in the big beautiful venues this state has to offer, and then made the teams playing in those games less respectable. They want the whole pie, even if its only half the size it used to be. Fight me.
 
Journey said:
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0.007% of revenue. Wow, how generous of them! SOMEBODY CALL THE POPE.
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Again, what is the net available, after expenses (which is the pot from which the OHSAA would be allocating scholarships)-- and also (before you claim that all these people are getting rich working for the OHSAA), what is the total sum paid to OHSAA staff divided by the number of staff paid-- in other words, what is the average pay of an OHSAA staff member... if it turns out to be some six-figure number, then I'll start to listen to what you have to say.
 
Journey said:
Correct, that money goes straight to Columbus. They used to only take a portion of presales. They took a portion of game day sales too, with the remainder going to the host school. Now they take it all. Columbus greed is why "nobody wants to host anymore" and they already stole all the ticket revenue before watering down the tournament. So they set the rules so the games aren't played in the big beautiful venues this state has to offer, and then made the teams playing in those games less respectable. They want the whole pie, even if its only half the size it used to be. Fight me.
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Ludicrous again-- the schools get all the money from the regular season games-- which is the vast majority of revenue for any sport-- and it doesn't begin to cover what the schools spend on providing those sports to the students-- THAT's what I mean by "There is no money made on HS sports"-- you're focused on the state tournament, which is a small part of every sport's season, and you completely ignore the lack of revenue/profits being made during the regular season.
 
The expenses are seafood towers, not scholarships lol.
Home football games are the lifeblood of any football program and they’re only 5 of them. It used to be a home playoff game could be a 20-25% bump up in your highest revenue sport. Now it’s an afterthought with parking and concessions which are already spoken for.
Columbus is greedy, the schools suffer. Nothing new.
 
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