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Mackinbiner said:
Let's keep this to the truth here. I think you're wrong.

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Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was…
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This might shock you but registering a domain doesn't equate to everyone protesting being card carrying members of your "organization" of the same name. When the people are chanting "Black Lives Matter" during the protests that's what they mean, full stop. Gotta stop looking for things that solely confirm your opinions, the world is a lot more nuanced than your email newsletters and yappi would have you believe
 
ShootNation said:
This might shock you but registering a domain doesn't equate to everyone protesting being card carrying members of your "organization" of the same name. When the people are chanting "Black Lives Matter" during the protests that's what they mean, full stop. Gotta stop looking for things that solely confirm your opinions, the world is a lot more nuanced than your email newsletters and yappi would have you believe
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After what happened last night in Wisconsin, I can understand your insistence in downplaying BLM as much as possible.

This conversation should be moved to the Debate Forum.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297882559242743808
 
ShootNation said:
I don't get how we're just lumping everything we don't like together into one big imaginary bad guy. BLM is not a socialist organization, hell they're not even an organization at all. People on here are sounding more and more like caricatures with each passing day
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Do your research and you will see the truth behind that organization.
 
vamp2syd said:
Do your research and you will see the truth behind that organization.
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It isn't an organization, that's the entirety of my point. It's a rallying cry that some other organization has co-opted as their name to piggyback on the momentum if the movement. Y'all have gotta stop working yourself into a frenzy over imaginary bad guys
 
ShootNation said:
It isn't an organization, that's the entirety of my point. It's a rallying cry that some other organization has co-opted as their name to piggyback on the momentum if the movement. Y'all have gotta stop working yourself into a frenzy over imaginary bad guys
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Try to tell the proprietors of the shops on Chicago's Magnificent Mile that the "undocumented shoppers" that destroyed their businesses recently were just "imaginary bad guys."

Or tell it to the owner of that auto dealership in Kenosha last night that that was an "imaginary" fire.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1297805463980052481


And on and on and...........
 
Mackinbiner said:
Try to tell the proprietors of the shops on Chicago's Magnificent Mile that the "undocumented shoppers" that destroyed their businesses recently were just "imaginary bad guys."

Or tell it to the owner of that auto dealership in Kenosha last night that that was an "imaginary" fire.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1297805463980052481


And on and on and...........
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You're arguing an entirely different point that has no bearing on the actual discussion. I'm done filling this board with off topic posts, enjoy your day
 
ShootNation said:
It isn't an organization, that's the entirety of my point. It's a rallying cry that some other organization has co-opted as their name to piggyback on the momentum if the movement. Y'all have gotta stop working yourself into a frenzy over imaginary bad guys
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The organization is just a bunch of racist, bigots, and Marxist. Their life sucks so they want the world to burn. All cops like the message. Cops would love to see black people have better lives. If everyone works, cops have less calls
 
The duality that some of you live under is mind blowing:

"I'm a conservative because I should have the right to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I have freedoms nobody can tell me what to do."

"if you just do what the man with the gun tells you to do, he won't shoot you in the back seven times or kneel on your neck for eight minutes."

Simply astonishing. The cognitive dissonance.
 
Here's where I see the controversy...

The Blue Lives Matter movement has adopted the thin blue line flag as a symbol, I think we can all agree. Blue Lives Matter was not a 'thing' before the Black Lives Matter movement. 'Blue' gained traction as a countermovement to 'Black'. As we all know, 'Black' is primarily concerned with ending deadly police brutality against unarmed citizens, in addition to white citizens calling police on black people doing innocuous things. 'Blue' was the response from the other side as lots of people labeled all police as bad actors.

Unfortunately, some think Blue Lives Matter as well as this flag has spawned an 'us vs them' mindset that will only escalate problems between the police and the communities they serve. If you truly support police and the difficult job they have, that's fine, but if you use Blue Lives Matter as your way of saying "I wish those black people would shut up" (and let's be real, a lot of people do), you need to reexamine yourself. That's why it's controversial.
 
oxat622 said:
Here's where I see the controversy...

The Blue Lives Matter movement has adopted the thin blue line flag as a symbol, I think we can all agree. Blue Lives Matter was not a 'thing' before the Black Lives Matter movement. 'Blue' gained traction as a countermovement to 'Black'. As we all know, 'Black' is primarily concerned with ending deadly police brutality against unarmed citizens, in addition to white citizens calling police on black people doing innocuous things. 'Blue' was the response from the other side as lots of people labeled all police as bad actors.

Unfortunately, some think Blue Lives Matter as well as this flag has spawned an 'us vs them' mindset that will only escalate problems between the police and the communities they serve. If you truly support police and the difficult job they have, that's fine, but if you use Blue Lives Matter as your way of saying "I wish those black people would shut up" (and let's be real, a lot of people do), you need to reexamine yourself. That's why it's controversial.
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No, it is NOT a black and white thing.... it is Marxist vs Capitalism..... Marxist being anti cop, anti western civilization, anti-American, anti-Trump ..... while Capitalism is pro cops, law and order, pro America, pro-religion, and pro American Family....

Marxist = Democratic Party = BLM ....

watch the video to see how people really feel

 
A new study that was just dropped in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences completely rejects the argument that white officers are engaged in an epidemic of racially biased shootings of black men.

The authors are faculty at Michigan State University and the University of Maryland at College Park. They completed the study by creating a database of 917 officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015 from more than 650 police departments.

When examining those shootings, 55 percent of the victims were white, 26 percent were black, and 19 percent were Hispanic. Between 90 and 95 percent of the civilians shot by officers in 2015 were attacking police or other citizens and 90 percent were armed with a weapon.
 
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vamp2syd said:
No, it is NOT a black and white thing.... it is Marxist vs Capitalism..... Marxist being anti cop, anti western civilization, anti-American, anti-Trump ..... while Capitalism is pro cops, law and order, pro America, pro-religion, and pro American Family....

Marxist = Democratic Party = BLM ....

watch the video to see how people really feel

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Please try not to fly off the deep end with your slippery slopes and generalizations. I really don't care about your Candace Owens videos or Marxist accusations. Up and down this thread, I've seen people ask how there could possibly be a controversy. Well, I've given you an explanation. I don't identify as anti-capitalist, anti-American, communist or whatever other sequiturs you want to toss around. But I do have to admit I get a little skeptical when people say "Blue Lives Matter" or fly that flag to the point that I wonder what they're really trying to say.

Can you honestly say you don't think there's a population that uses "Blue Lives Matter" as their rallying cry for "Know your place, black people?"
 
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A new study that was just dropped in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences completely rejects the argument that white officers are engaged in an epidemic of racially biased shootings of black men.

The authors are faculty at Michigan State University and the University of Maryland at College Park. They completed the study by creating a database of 917 officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015 from more than 650 police departments.

When examining those shootings, 55 percent of the victims were white, 26 percent were black, and 19 percent were Hispanic. Between 90 and 95 percent of the civilians shot by officers in 2015 were attacking police or other citizens and 90 percent were armed with a weapon.
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That really doesn't provide a conclusion. You would need to see what percentage of the white victims were attacking police vs percentage of black victims. Or what percentage of races were attacking with a weapon. Did that study measure those?
 
oxat622 said:
Please try not to fly off the deep end with your slippery slopes and generalizations. I really don't care about your Candace Owens videos or Marxist accusations. Up and down this thread, I've seen people ask how there could possibly be a controversy. Well, I've given you an explanation. I don't identify as anti-capitalist, anti-American, communist or whatever other sequiturs you want to toss around. But I do have to admit I get a little skeptical when people say "Blue Lives Matter" or fly that flag and wonder what they're really trying to say.

Can you honestly say you don't think there's a population that uses "Blue Lives Matter" as their rallying cry for "Know your place, black people?"
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I think what they're trying to say is that they're extremely tired of lawlessness, crime, not feeling safe, and seeing those charged with upholding the law disrepected and murdered. That shouldn't happen in a civilized society. And I think the people are wanting to show that they support those administering the law, especially as opposed to those who break it.
 
Mackinbiner said:
I think what they're trying to say is that they're extremely tired of lawlessness, crime, not feeling safe, and seeing those charged with upholding the law disrepected and murdered. That shouldn't happen in a civilized society. And I think the people are wanting to show that they support those administering the law, especially as opposed to those who break it.
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Crime has been on a steady decline in the US for the past 30 years (excluding this year-- which makes sense considering we're on the downside into Great Depression 2.0).
 
oxat622 said:
Here's where I see the controversy...

The Blue Lives Matter movement has adopted the thin blue line flag as a symbol, I think we can all agree. Blue Lives Matter was not a 'thing' before the Black Lives Matter movement. 'Blue' gained traction as a countermovement to 'Black'. As we all know, 'Black' is primarily concerned with ending deadly police brutality against unarmed citizens, in addition to white citizens calling police on black people doing innocuous things. 'Blue' was the response from the other side as lots of people labeled all police as bad actors.

Unfortunately, some think Blue Lives Matter as well as this flag has spawned an 'us vs them' mindset that will only escalate problems between the police and the communities they serve. If you truly support police and the difficult job they have, that's fine, but if you use Blue Lives Matter as your way of saying "I wish those black people would shut up" (and let's be real, a lot of people do), you need to reexamine yourself. That's why it's controversial.
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Nice post. My thoughts that no one cares about. Humans treat people outside their own race horribly, and it must improve dramatically. We must support our police and first responders with more salary and better training. Police and first responders need to do a lot better in areas.. Looters and rioters need to be thrown into jail. Peacefull Protest are the backbone of this country and should be encouraged.
 
OBIE-WON-PIEROGI said:
Newer Headline:
White Person on Yappi Incapable of Admitting Racism Exists, Cherry Picks Black People who Agree, Claims Communism is Somehow the Problem
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news flash...... a small number of black people keeping racism alive giving an excuse why they have not succeeded in life.....

You do not know me and you do not know the racism I have experienced in my lifetime. I am pro police but that makes me a racist. In most cases the police are justified for the actions but that still makes me a racist. I will not be a victim of the mob and I will speak my mind and that makes me racist. The mob is just a small percentage of people in this country who believe in destroying the fabric of America.

No, police are not hunting down and killing black people. That is absurd. Yes, there are racist people in the world... but this whole thing that every black man is being kept down because of systemic racism all throughout the country is BS. There might be pockets here and there so where it does exist expose it and we can deal with it.

I will never support BLM but the lives of law abiding citizens no matter there skin color, sexual preference, appearance, will always matter to me.
 
OBIE-WON-PIEROGI said:
Crime has been on a steady decline in the US for the past 30 years (excluding this year-- which makes sense considering we're on the downside into Great Depression 2.0).
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Anti Trump.... enough said......

Crime is up because of the lack of leadership in the Democratic Cities who are selling out to the mob keeping the police at bay while rioters do as they will.
 
ShootNation said:
It isn't an organization, that's the entirety of my point. It's a rallying cry that some other organization has co-opted as their name to piggyback on the momentum if the movement. Y'all have gotta stop working yourself into a frenzy over imaginary bad guys
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is this Jerry Nadler?

"BLM and Antifa are a myth" never mind the burning and looting and assaults across American cities.
 
OBIE-WON-PIEROGI said:
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White Person on Yappi Incapable of Admitting Racism Exists, Cherry Picks Black People who Agree, Claims Communism is Somehow the Problem
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sure it exists and always will. its also not nearly as pervasive as some would have you believe. America has never been more inclusive or equitable than it is today. the question is can you admit racism comes from all races?
 
oxat622 said:
Please try not to fly off the deep end with your slippery slopes and generalizations. I really don't care about your Candace Owens videos or Marxist accusations. Up and down this thread, I've seen people ask how there could possibly be a controversy. Well, I've given you an explanation. I don't identify as anti-capitalist, anti-American, communist or whatever other sequiturs you want to toss around. But I do have to admit I get a little skeptical when people say "Blue Lives Matter" or fly that flag to the point that I wonder what they're really trying to say.

Can you honestly say you don't think there's a population that uses "Blue Lives Matter" as their rallying cry for "Know your place, black people?"
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you dont think theres a population that uses "Black Lives Matter" as their rallying cry for "F you, white people?"

sure anything can be co-opted but racists flying the American flag doesnt make it racist.

supporting law enforcement isnt racist.
 
ShootNation said:
It isn't an organization, that's the entirety of my point. It's a rallying cry that some other organization has co-opted as their name to piggyback on the momentum if the movement. Y'all have gotta stop working yourself into a frenzy over imaginary bad guys
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No, it is really an organization that has hi-jacked a cause. There is not ever a reason to burn down a car dealership, Only done to cause chaos. Although what was done by the police is reprehensible and ridiculous, the truth is that happens to all people of all colors. Nobody else is using it as an attack on stores and car dealerships. On the other hand, something is really wrong with the police when they think it is ever a good idea to shoot an unarmed man in the back seven freaking times. GOOD GRIEF!!!
 
Here is what kills me with the BLM movement. The Chicago Tribune reported that during the last weekend of May 2020, 85 people were shot in Chicago – 24 of them were killed. The Chicago Tribune also says that the majority of the victims of homicide in Chicago are young, black men.”

George Floyd rightly deserves a nation’s attention but so do the nameless victims who are gunned down every day in places like Chicago.

What is wrong with BLM is their outrage is only when a white cop kills an unarmed black man. They remain silent when black men are killing other black men Don't 85 shootings during just one weekend in just one city matther to BLM? Don't those lives matter also?.
 
OBIE-WON-PIEROGI said:
Newer Headline: White People Don't Want to Talk About Racism Unless It Involves Making Other People Say "Black People Are Racist Too"
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And this is why we cant talk about race...you refuse to acknowledge reality. If you truely want to discuss racism we should discuss all aspects...it is not exclusively white.

Unless you have no problem with racism directed at white people...which makes you a hypocrite.
 
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