strickly_layups
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Hasn't West struggled with Springboro, and has lost 3 straight to them?
Cincinnati D1 Preseason Poll
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strickly_layups
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You failed to mention that Lovelands HC has Cancer and still manages to coach his team. The kids and program have battled through it, not to mention Covid. I could not imagine.
strickly_layups
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This is a great thread. However, when its all said and done one of these teams have to see MND!!! I pick MND vs Mason in the Regional Finals. Mason is very very good, just not good enough this year.
Very True, astonishing how he has continued to coach through all of this. Prayers to him and his family!
Totally agree, MND is head and shoulders above everyone else. It’s an equity issue. Private schools will always continue to draw some of the best talent. JMO
JusticeLeague3
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Absolutely. Girls basketball in this area is pretty much the rich get richer....better players go to the better programs like MND, West, Mason, Loveland and/or transfer there. You can try to build your program from within and teams will have a few good seasons here and there doing that, but its hard when you best kids leave your feeder programs for the established ones. You cant win without good kids, and your good kids leave. Sometimes the cycle perpetuates itself. You need talent to win, especially at the D1 level.
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strickly_layups
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Very well said and its the TRUTH!!!
I think Alot of it has to do with culture and the Head Coach. Each school you mentioned has great culture and HC. MND, West, and Mason have had this for a long while, and you can see that Loveland has built that in a short time. It makes it much easier to build within if you have a place kids don't want to leave. It's hard to break the cycle but it can be done. I've always said AD's need to hire outside of the box nowadays. It certainly worked for Loveland. I don't think anyone would have guessed that hire.
I would agree that culture has a lot to do with it. To me having copious amounts of transfers indicates a culture problem and your not loyal to those who have come up with in your program. As far as Loveland they would’ve been an average team this year without transfers. I do agree that their coaches are going a good job building the program.
I get what you're saying but that's like saying Mason would be avg without a 6'6 Transfer. You are downplaying the reason those players chose those schools.
And I would like to think Loveland would be better than 11-11 even without the transfers. And I would like to think Mason would still be in the GMC hunt without their Big.
And I would like to think Loveland would be better than 11-11 even without the transfers. And I would like to think Mason would still be in the GMC hunt without their Big.
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True it certainly can be done but it's hard to build a winning culture when you don't have the athletes to compete. Doc does a great job but he came back to MND when they had a great class of kids walk in the door; other kids come to play with that class understandably and it attracts more kids. Absolutely nothing wrong with it and kudos to MND for continuing to prosper; but that's talent winning games not the culture. Try building the culture at a school with zero talent and see how many more games they win in a landlocked or small urban district. Just an opinion.
Well in Lovelands case I'm going to assume family situation changed because they aren't open enrollment. And I don't care how much you like a program or Coach I'm not spending 1500 a month in rent or buying a 300k home just so my kid can hoop. Not when there are other options.
undertaker
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did she play much?? the score was still pretty close, as it was a 5 point game at half
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Lebanon advances and West barely gets by Kings?????
strickly_layups
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Loveland had some transfers? Mason vs.. West this early, I am still scratching my head
CometCountry
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Mason--55
Lakota West--25
Real bad choice by Fishman to go in with the Comets
Lakota West--25
Real bad choice by Fishman to go in with the Comets
I disagree. Programs like LW aren't playing for Sectioional titles, they are playing for regional births and beyond. This was the only path to regionals. They lost, it happens but any other bracket and maybe they win today but it's a guaranteed loss Saturday. Not even Mason fans can say they were positive they were going to blow out West. Anyone who truly thought it was a bad choice should have had the stones to say it before hand.
I will agree that it was their best chance at the regionals but even that was a slim chance. Springboro has owned West the last 3 times they played. It’s not a given Mason wins against them either. When Mason and Springboro played during the season it went to overtime. I figured West might be in trouble after Kings basically took them to wire and gave them all they wanted.
This Isn’t the same LW team he’s had in past. No inside presence.
Fishman knows that.
If LW is playing for “RegIonals and beyond“ how can this be the ”only path to the regionals”?
”...its a guaranteed loss Saturday” then he’s not playing for Regionals.
Just lucky that Springboro was paired up vs LW/Mason winner; could have been Wayne or Centerville.
Cin teams aren’t supposed to know where Dayton teams have landed in “Draw” And vice versa.
However, SW OH Brackets were simple to figure out this year for the Cincinnati side
Everyone wanted to avoid MND; LW could have avoided them until Regional Finals and wouldn’t have had to play Mason until Regional Semis If they go to Cin 1.
MND was going to pick Cin 2 or Cin 5 because they know 5th best team in Cincinnati isn’t as good as Top 3 in Dayton this year.
And that’s who MNDs District opponent will be (If seeds held, Edgewood, with upsets now LE or Colerain.}
LW should have playing Monroe tonight, Princeton should have been playing Lebanon and Mason should have been playing Loveland.
Really, Really, Really Dumb Choice (not a bad choice in his mind, because he beat Mason in 2014 tourney after losing 2 times in regular season) because LW would have had a much easier path to District Championship game against Monroe or Walnut Hills than Mason.
Always take easiest path, because upsets can always happen elsewhere.
GMC commissioner should have made a phone call to LW AD Evening of draw.
WTF was Coach Fishman thinking?
4 GMC teams in District Finals would look much better for league than 3 GMC teams.
Fishman knows that.
If LW is playing for “RegIonals and beyond“ how can this be the ”only path to the regionals”?
”...its a guaranteed loss Saturday” then he’s not playing for Regionals.
Just lucky that Springboro was paired up vs LW/Mason winner; could have been Wayne or Centerville.
Cin teams aren’t supposed to know where Dayton teams have landed in “Draw” And vice versa.
However, SW OH Brackets were simple to figure out this year for the Cincinnati side
Everyone wanted to avoid MND; LW could have avoided them until Regional Finals and wouldn’t have had to play Mason until Regional Semis If they go to Cin 1.
MND was going to pick Cin 2 or Cin 5 because they know 5th best team in Cincinnati isn’t as good as Top 3 in Dayton this year.
And that’s who MNDs District opponent will be (If seeds held, Edgewood, with upsets now LE or Colerain.}
LW should have playing Monroe tonight, Princeton should have been playing Lebanon and Mason should have been playing Loveland.
Really, Really, Really Dumb Choice (not a bad choice in his mind, because he beat Mason in 2014 tourney after losing 2 times in regular season) because LW would have had a much easier path to District Championship game against Monroe or Walnut Hills than Mason.
Always take easiest path, because upsets can always happen elsewhere.
GMC commissioner should have made a phone call to LW AD Evening of draw.
WTF was Coach Fishman thinking?
4 GMC teams in District Finals would look much better for league than 3 GMC teams.
I think you are twisting my words, please re read. I said "an any other bracket maybe they win today but it's a guaranteed loss Saturday". And in your scenerio that would be to Dayton Wayne. So what they jumped Mason, had they won it would have been brilliant and a collapse by Mason. And let's not forget at the time, Mason's Stimulus package AKA Oldcare was hurt at the time of the draw with no real timeline of return. Fishman Gambled, and he lost, oh well. But I don't think he gives a damn about 4 GMC schools in the district finals.
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Oldacre gave an interview where she specifically said she came to Mason to play for Matula (which is technically against OHSAA rules and you're not supposed to actually admit to that, need to claim better education and what not, but Mark Wise said the same about Gentry in an interview and got his waiver so the precedent was there).
undertaker
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i believe so, as long as its individual stuff
strickly_layups
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MND over Centerville
Mason over Wayne
Mason over Wayne