psycho_dad
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It's called coordination. And BS. They do whatever they want whenever they want. So, we are helpless and just have to ride it out. BS
Fairfield County Health Department recommends no in-person classes, no sports in the fall
Fairfield County Health Department recommends no in-person classes, no sports in the fallwww.lancastereaglegazette.com
The treatment Zelenko is talking about has become known as The Zelenko Protocol, which leads to a 100% survival rate in low-risk patients and a 99.3% survival rate in high-risk patients. What's a high-risk patient? Zelenko says anyone age 60+ with symptoms and those under 60 with comorbidities or shortness of breath."COVID is very real. But if we treat it early and the right way, it's nothing to fear. I saw early use of zinc, hydroxychloroquine, and azithromycin result in an over 99% survival rate in my COVID patients. Don't let professional scaremongers dictate the narrative."
So it looks like all of these three states saw an increase in deaths 4 weeks after cases started to rise. Looking at Ohio's data, we don't yet see the same patern. Assuming a cases are rising start date of June 18, we should have started to see a rise in deaths last week. Maybe it could take off but if it doesn't then we need to ask why Ohio would be different.So a couple weeks ago we had the "sure cases are going up but not deaths, so things are OK." At the time it was mentioned that the 3-5 week lag between an infection being reported and a death being reported might give an inaccurate view of what is going on. Here are the case and death graphs for the big three states (Arizona, Texas and Florida). As I said then, the "death rate" that was declining was the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases. That rate was going down because the number of cases was soaring and deaths have significant time lag. But now we know that rising numbers of cases is going to lead to rising numbers of deaths.
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I think most of us actually would prefer not to be stuck in the current situation for the next couple of years. So let's maybe see if we can try something that gets us out of it. Because half of us acting like there is a virus and half of us acting like there isn't a virus is not working.
It's more tied to the positivity rate as testing capacity becomes adequate for the size of the epidemic and maintains a level. Ohio's positivity rate is flat.So it looks like all of these three states saw an increase in deaths 4 weeks after cases started to rise. Looking at Ohio's data, we don't yet see the same patern. Assuming a cases are rising start date of June 18, we should have started to see a rise in deaths last week. Maybe it could take off but if it doesn't then we need to ask why Ohio would be different.
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Yeah, it should have been the plan.Someone else posted this, but it is very close to how I feel at this point. What I thought the plan was from day 1.
Thread by @ASlavitt: COVID Update July 26: We can virtually eliminate the virus any time we decide to. 1/ We can be back to a reasonably normal existence: school…
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Leadership vs. lack of leadership.Yeah, it should have been the plan.
New York was the first place where there was wide spread, and because of mistakes at the start and mistakes made in the years prior, they were absolutely slammed. They also had one of the strictest lock down regimes and highest mask usage rate. But they showed even if it gets out of control it can be contained. We don't actually have to spend the next year in the purgatory we are in now.
New York had 538 new cases and 17 deaths yesterday, or 2.8 new cases per 100000. Ohio had 1105 new cases and 33 deaths, or 9.4 per 100000. Florida had 41.4per 1000000.
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The biggest thing I don't understand in this is the idea of having health care workers staying home too. Are we suggesting shutting down hospitals for 6 weeks during a pandemic?Someone else posted this, but it is very close to how I feel at this point. What I thought the plan was from day 1.
Thread by @ASlavitt: COVID Update July 26: We can virtually eliminate the virus any time we decide to. 1/ We can be back to a reasonably normal existence: school…
Thread by @ASlavitt: COVID Update July 26: We can virtually eliminate the virus any time we decide to. 1/ We can be back to a reasonably normtence: schools, travel, job growth, safer nursing homes & other settings. And we could do it in a matter of w…threadreaderapp.com
Truly essential only. Other countries shut down hard. No gas stations. No going from one state to another because it's more lax. What good did shutting down schools and such back in March? Just wasted.The biggest thing I don't understand in this is the idea of having health care workers staying home too. Are we suggesting shutting down hospitals for 6 weeks during a pandemic?
Will we still be debating this same stuff in September, December, March, Etc... Things that should be well out of sight of our rear view mirror are still right there closer than they appear. I do not personally know a single person that is not back at work, but I know those people exist. I have a lot of family and friends that are teachers, so that could change. I'm sure they will be working, but not like they are used to. I do deal with a lot of people still working remotely from home. That might be a permanent thing as it has seemed seamless and maybe even a bit more efficient sometimes. The new thing we will be talking about soon is foreclosures and evictions. How anyone sees this as anything but a huge failure of leadership from the President on down is beyond me.
We now have had to put more responsibility of keeping people safe and healthy in the hands of the Wal-Mart greeter than the President of the United States of America. We are asking 17 year old kid to get into conflict with some MAGA hat wearing A-hole at Home Depot to try and enforce a wear a mask in this county mandate by the governor. (Saw it first hand yesterday in Strongsville/Middleburg Heights) The rest of the world seems to have figured it out, but we are a huge failure. I was at our local produce market last Saturday and it was a very small what looked like 17 year old girl having to tell people they could not continue any further until they put on a mask. She handed them out to people who did not have them. Who doesn't have them at this point? (I've forgotten mine in the other car or walked out of the house and left it sitting on the counter, but there were too many people without them. I either stay in the car, or we go back and get the masks ) Some people gave the girl hassle or the "You have got to be kidding me" response. She's at the front of this while the President is making sure the incandescent light bulb makes a comeback for 6 months. Who cares who's right or wrong anymore? Kids and wal-mart greeters should have a little less responsibility than the President.
World wide pandemic folks. Look at what is happening in Texas, California, Arizona, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama........
I was driving home the other night talking to coach Howard on the phone about how good Unioto is and how it's a shame that they might not get a chance to show Bay how good they are when he told me he had to go and listen to what the governor had to say. I had a business call I knew I was going to be on for some time, so I called my 18 year old son and told him to watch it and tell me what is said. When I got home, I asked him and he told me "He said we need to get our sh_t together." I think that sort of says it all.
How do you have kids only in school some days and not others if they are under say 12 years old? What are the parents going to do the days they aren't in school? Drop them off at a friends house. Drop them off at Grandparents? Nothing is solved. Federal Government has to come up with a workable plan that helps parents and employers. CDC should be the authority.
Contact Tracing is so far below what is needed in some places they are just giving up. Texas is being crushed. Isn't that a job people could be doing from home with not a lot of skills but some training. Again, something that was talked about by nearly every expert and not followed through on.
It wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House or not. All wouldn't stand a chance & would be lying if they took any other stance.
Circa March 2020: "Masks are not needed. It's just a big hoax! It will go away on it's own. Just a big hoax!!"
True, but go back further to January when the President issued the travel restrictions on China & how the Dems lambasted him for so-called racusm & xenophobia.
What is the point? They are dead! Love how you guys pick and choose your facts and ignore reality. Love it! Love how car accidents, shootings and suicides get lumped into the covid data. Those are peaceful protesters in the cities!What is your point? Because he was criticized for one action, he can't take any others? Really?
No matter what action any president takes, there is a portion of society that is going to disagree. Leadership involves both convincing the public of the need for an action and continuing to make the tough calls with a "the buck stops here" sense of responsibility. That even requires a willingness to admit past errors and to adapt as better information becomes available.
I could forgive a multitude of errors if I felt like they were made in the attempt to provide for the greater good. Making errors is part of learning. The "ick" factor involved when a president seems to make most decisions based on how it affects him is revolting.
I was initiallly shocked when he announced the ban. I had not really been following what was going on in Wuhan and it seemed like another "wall" based on ethnicity. Then as things became more clear regarding what was going on I thought "good call." Then when I learned it wasn't a ban but only a partial filter, I was far less impressed. How could he think that one partial action was going to take care of the problem?
I don"t disagree that we need a president who is willing to speak his mind and to forcefully reject the status quo on many issues, but it would be nice if they also kept informed by reading, listening to experts, etc. rather than trusting their gut based on tv news and twitter conspiracy theories.
Reading something in a press conference and then putting it into question shortly thereafter does little to engender public confidence and serves only to induce strife. DJT is a hot mess. We can do better.
I disagree. My son was right in the middle of it from the start out in Washington. They trained for this and had policies in place for tracing and containing (U.S. Army). None of it was followed on a national basis. There were big gaps in the chain. The Trump administration was directly responsible for those gaps. Again, I would be just as disgusted no matter who was in charge. My son and other loved ones of mine had to fight this thing blind and without proper tools. The only stock piles of things they had were from the previous administration. (You can believe all you want what Trump says about the cupboards being bare, but that is a flat out lie.) Orders for replacement equipment and supplies were cancelled or the contract with suppliers were cancelled and shifted to suppliers that never delivered or flat out could not deliver.Contact tracing is only important at near the beginning of a pandemic. It is useless at this point, much like it would be useless in tracking down who is carrying the common flu. That ship has sailed, and I've listened to many physicians echo this.
We can all assume that we will ALL be exposed at one point or another the next few years. To think that you can hunker down & avoid it is asinine. It would safe to assume that at least 10 times as many people who have been confirmed to actually test positive have actually been exposed. It wouldn't have mattered who was in the White House or not. All wouldn't stand a chance & would be lying if they took any other stance.
Reality psycho_dad, live in reality, you'll be happier.I disagree. My son was right in the middle of it from the start out in Washington. They trained for this and had policies in place for tracing and containing (U.S. Army). None of it was followed on a national basis. There were big gaps in the chain. The Trump administration was directly responsible for those gaps. Again, I would be just as disgusted no matter who was in charge. My son and other loved ones of mine had to fight this thing blind and without proper tools. The only stock piles of things they had were from the previous administration. (You can believe all you want what Trump says about the cupboards being bare, but that is a flat out lie.) Orders for replacement equipment and supplies were cancelled or the contract with suppliers were cancelled and shifted to suppliers that never delivered or flat out could not deliver.
Running Man 101. Who is in charge? Stop your nonsense. Look around. Who is in charge?
Florida is crushing it again. This is a joke and denying it and defending those in charge is insane.