I had to go look this one up. The article I found said they were only dressing 9 players because of injuries, and had 6 players foul out during the game. Played the final 2:22 with 4 players... was down to 3 players for the final 7.5 seconds. Still scored 39 fourth quarter points.
Why would you say it’s not comparable? I don’t think Wayne and Trotwood ever got to the state until the Cupps years had begun. I think the competition is very similar. I will also say this, I don’t think any school in the area played the non league schedule that Centerville played last year, or this year for that matter. I really don’t remember the schedule Centerville played when Stanley was the coach. Centerville is lucky to have had them both.
Heard Blanton had like 35 and 45 in a couple of games in Kentucky vs. some great competition.... 45!! ouch! Watch out GWOC. Here they come #Ramnation.
Trotwood and Springfield are notorious for not posting stats and have been that way for some time. It certainly doesn't help me provide any highlights or information about their players in game coverage.
Centerville was 34-35 Jim's last 3 years. Directly as a result of playing his kid waaaaaaay too much. So not sure what you mean by established. And if competition was tougher back in the day, then Cville probably had better players then too by your reasoning. Cupps hasn't won by having the best players by far on his team. Staley won a lot of games because he had bigger and better players for most of the year, but couldn't coach them past equivalent teams come tourney time. (Same was true for football as well). I admit, my viewing doesn't cover his entire tenure. But Xs and Os wasn't his strength - in fact everyone in the gym knew what was coming. Also did a poor job of developing the size in the program then. Kavanaugh was very good but not because Staley coached him up.
He was big but also pretty good. Was starting to come into his own a little at UD before his career was interrupted.
Why should they put up stats when they are being kicked out at the end of the year?
My opinion is just that, and I'm pretty well informed about basketball, not stupid. Yes, poor athlete by DI standards which is why he wasn't better in DI. All-state level as junior not reached as a senior so where was the development there? Not too many other big guys - actually cut quite a few with potential. And how good did the 7-footer get? Just plain awful was how good he got. Staley ran a system that got a lot of regular season wins when he had size gifted to him. And disclaimer, I'm not a Staley historian, just going on his last 6 or 7 years which is what I personally observed.
I would agree here. Staley deserves respect as an Elks HOF coach. I remember watching Kavanaugh and thought he made himself a D1 player. He reminds me a little bit of Mo Nje now. Matt's offensive game was a little more advanced and Mo is a little more athletic. If Cupps stays after his kid graduates, he will go down as a HOF coach too. My guess is that Cupps jumps to the college level in 4 years. I do think Cupps seems to get more out of the kids every year. He has had some elite 8 runs without having elite 8 talent.
Sorry, I must have missed people saying Trotwood and Wayne are successful because of Cupps. That doesn't make any sense. Please explain or repost the other comments. Thanks.
Here is the post. Trotwood has had plenty of success prior to Cupps years, People forget Mike Carter and his team led by Andre Hutson that made it to the regional before getting beat by Springfield North or the John Lumpkin lead team that lost to Elder, another regional squad. Or the 10 straight GMVC conference championship that Trotwood won under Staley and then Carter. The real reasons the MVL wanted no more parts of the Rams......
Mic drop... Your are 100% on point. Cupps is the now from what Staley built. Cville was a Friday night lights town and when he came basketball no longer played second fiddle. Most of these folks on here probably don't remember that and see Cupps with Bronny James and the gang and think "We got an awesome coach"!! And you do. But he picked up where Jimbo left off. Cville was nothing in bball until he arrived and yes his last few years with his kids in the mix he went astray but you cannot take anything away from how he built that program.
No doubt Jim built the program up from a bad place historically. Actually, Centerville is not loaded this year. Very young with nothing returning other than Big Mo. Only 40 points total from last year. So probably a lot of growing pains but will ramp up again going forward.
Its no big deal about the posting of the stats, but some do like to look at the player stats before attending a game. It is useful information, especially if one is not real familiar with the team. From an outsider looking at the program, the lack of posting stats to the league's website just shows sloppiness on the part of the athletic director/staff. In the case of Trotwood, I realize they have been booted out of the league and their athletic department likely has bitterness and does not care.
I can respect the number of wins, but I'll never be able to respect Staley the man. You want to draw the line at getting to state while at Centerville, then ok it's zero zero. Cupps did make it at Graham in loaded DII I believe. Losing in regional final or semi to eventual state champion isn't bad.
Hey I get that. But how you feel about him as a person is not the focus in this conversation. I just think the mindset that it appears that some have that Centerville was not any good until Cupps got there is disrespectful. I have heard that from many of folks that have no idea about the history of the program. Comment like: "He got this thing rolling", "We got us a next level coach" and "Cupps has gotten us where this program has never been".. Now granted most of these comments are from younger parents that may know nothing of Jim Staley but as a guy that has been around it just gets a little sour for an old WOL and GMVC guy. Just saying..
The only way centerville gets out of the regional is if moeller somehow shows up to the wrong gym. That said, they have a really good coach and he does a great job getting the best out of his personnel.
